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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Rev. Al Sharpton leads Stand Your Ground rally in Tallahassee

    So al sharp is gearing up to attack stand your ground. Lovely. I don't mind the emphasis on "provocation" as mentioned in the article. After all...if you provoke a fight...you can't complain when you got one. But this is yet another example of some ridiculous left wing ass trying to capitalize on the death of someone for publicity. Can we just condemn sharpton to obscurity yet?
    LOL, I live in Tallahassee. There was a rally? Must have been huge!

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the problem with this:



    The Zimmerman case had nothing to do with stand your ground. I think this law is one of the most misunderstood on the planet. And, by the way, there's really no such thing as a stand-your-ground law. It's a stand-your-ground interpretation of events is all.

    Why do we need that interpretation? Because if a state doesn't have such wording in their law, then a righteous shooter can always be second-guessed. Before that wording was added, homeowners shooting intruders were being sued civilly by the robber who broke into their home and was paralyzed from a gunshot wound inflicted by the homeowner. "You didn't have to shoot him! You could have run out the back door." It takes away a person's duty to retreat. That's all it does. Being found Not Guilty under the stand-your-ground doctrine means you are immune from civil suit. That's very important. Or we'll continue to have stories like this:



    This is happening in California. It's one of the few states that hasn't adopted stand-your-ground wording...wording that would codify that one doesn't have the need to retreat. Immunity to civil suit. California's statutes still provide for civil remedies for the use of self-help. How fair is that lawsuit? You want to be sued and spend tens of thousands of dollars protecting yourself from a home invader?

    Al Sharpton is a sick ****.
    Not sure why this was aimed at me, but I have to disagree with at least one statement. Looking at Congress, the US Constitution is the most misunderstood law on the planet.
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Not sure why this was aimed at me, but I have to disagree with at least one statement. Looking at Congress, the US Constitution is the most misunderstood law on the planet.
    Sorry, American. I was just preaching in general.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

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    This will backfire the first time a black stands his ground.
    Actually, no. It hasn't and blacks have actually used the defense more than whites so far.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    This is a very stupid thing for Sharpton to make a Blacks vs Whites issue. The impression given is that blacks don't want anyone to be able to legally neutralize criminals. This is very much Akin to Holder demanding that blacks not be disciplined so much in schools.
    Sharpton needs the air time. Dragging up a two year old case is not beneath him at all.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.
    In the act of self defense, its already legal. Or would you rather all of us just be victims?

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What is the problem with this:



    The Zimmerman case had nothing to do with stand your ground. I think this law is one of the most misunderstood on the planet. And, by the way, there's really no such thing as a stand-your-ground law. It's a stand-your-ground interpretation of events is all.

    Why do we need that interpretation? Because if a state doesn't have such wording in their law, then a righteous shooter can always be second-guessed. Before that wording was added, homeowners shooting intruders were being sued civilly by the robber who broke into their home and was paralyzed from a gunshot wound inflicted by the homeowner. "You didn't have to shoot him! You could have run out the back door." It takes away a person's duty to retreat. That's all it does. Being found Not Guilty under the stand-your-ground doctrine means you are immune from civil suit. That's very important. Or we'll continue to have stories like this:



    This is happening in California. It's one of the few states that hasn't adopted stand-your-ground wording...wording that would codify that one doesn't have the need to retreat. Immunity to civil suit. California's statutes still provide for civil remedies for the use of self-help. How fair is that lawsuit? You want to be sued and spend tens of thousands of dollars protecting yourself from a home invader?

    Al Sharpton is a sick ****.
    He just mad that a 90 year old handed him his ass.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Actually, no. It hasn't and blacks have actually used the defense more than whites so far.
    I didn't say it has, I said it will.
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    This is a very stupid thing for Sharpton to make a Blacks vs Whites issue. The impression given is that blacks don't want anyone to be able to legally neutralize criminals. This is very much Akin to Holder demanding that blacks not be disciplined so much in schools.
    This is Sharpton's real job, it's how he's made a livelihood for himself for decades. Sure he's got a nice cushy pulpit on MSNBC to spew his hate and opinions, but like any good performer he yearns for the stage and spotlight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    All the more reason for a Stand your Ground Law.

    You think taking it away will make criminals less violent ??
    Not in the real world, but in loopy utopian world, yes some people do.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post

    Al Sharpton is a sick ****.
    And he's got lots of supporters that back him and believe in that sick ****.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Actually, no. It hasn't and blacks have actually used the defense more than whites so far.
    Is there more info on this? I'm curious as to where demographically and in which states this has occurred.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This is Sharpton's real job, it's how he's made a livelihood for himself for decades. Sure he's got a nice cushy pulpit on MSNBC to spew his hate and opinions, but like any good performer he yearns for the stage and spotlight.

    Not in the real world, but in loopy utopian world, yes some people do.

    And he's got lots of supporters that back him and believe in that sick ****.


    Is there more info on this? I'm curious as to where demographically and in which states this has occurred.
    Crue Cab, hope you don't mind. I was curious as well. Cursory Google found this:

    Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

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