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    GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    House Republicans will bring three bills to the floor for votes this week that would expand religious and military exemptions under ObamaCare.

    And for a change, Republicans are expecting significant help from Democrats to pass the legislation.

    GOP leaders are treating the three ObamaCare bills as "suspension" legislation, which means they will get a shorter debate and must pass with a two-thirds majority vote. That's a sign Republicans believe they have enough support from Democrats to pass the bills.
    And I support all 3 of these bills. Why? Because they are reasonable. It is good to see the GOP working to fix Obamacare instead of trying to repeal it.

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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And I support all 3 of these bills. Why? Because they are reasonable. It is good to see the GOP working to fix Obamacare instead of trying to repeal it.
    Very, very bad idea.

    You can't polish a turd.

    There is no way to “fix” the ObamaCare scam that doesn't begin with completely repealing the entire stinking pile of solid digestive waste, and starting over. There is nothing the least bit “reasonable” about attempting to “fix” it in any other way.
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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Very, very bad idea.

    You can't polish a turd.

    There is no way to “fix” the ObamaCare scam that doesn't begin with completely repealing the entire stinking pile of solid digestive waste, and starting over. There is nothing the least bit “reasonable” about attempting to “fix” it in any other way.
    This is the beginning of the end. Once the federal gov't gets a power/program, it will never let it go. This shows a significant switch from the pre-PPACA era when states had the power to regulate commerce within their borders and it was legal to simply pay cash for medical services (without a tax/penalty).
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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This is the beginning of the end. Once the federal gov't gets a power/program, it will never let it go. This shows a significant switch from the pre-PPACA era when states had the power to regulate commerce within their borders and it was legal to simply pay cash for medical services (without a tax/penalty).
    Are you saying it's not legal to be single (without a tax/penalty)?

    Because married people get tax breaks I don't get.
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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you saying it's not legal to be single (without a tax/penalty)?

    Because married people get tax breaks I don't get.
    There is a huge difference between doing something (e.g. getting married) to change your taxation status and having your taxation status change for not doing something (spending your after tax income as directed by the gov't). Giving the federal gov't the power to mandate spending your after tax income as directed or paying an additional tax penalty is new ground. Allowing individuals a tax deduction/credit if they buy "private" medical insurance is different than saying buy it or pay an additional tax.
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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is a huge difference between doing something (e.g. getting married) to change your taxation status and having your taxation status change for not doing something (spending your after tax income as directed by the gov't). Giving the federal gov't the power to mandate spending your after tax income as directed or paying an additional tax penalty is new ground. Allowing individuals a tax deduction/credit if they buy "private" medical insurance is different than saying buy it or pay an additional tax.
    Not really. There is no difference. Either way you pay less taxes if you do something, and pay more if you don't. Same with having kids etc.

    The tax on not having health insurance is no different then if they had increased everyone's taxes by a certain amount and then gave everyone a credit for that exact same amount. Either way the results are identical in every way. Tax code has been written to incentive certain behaviors for a long time, and obamacare isn't some new found way to control people.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Not really. There is no difference. Either way you pay less taxes if you do something, and pay more if you don't. Same with having kids etc.

    The tax on not having health insurance is no different then if they had increased everyone's taxes by a certain amount and then gave everyone a credit for that exact same amount. Either way the results are identical in every way. Tax code has been written to incentive certain behaviors for a long time, and obamacare isn't some new found way to control people.
    You are seriously justifying the government taking choice from the people? Damn...

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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Not that it's a big issue here in Massachusetts, where I haven't had any legitimate representation in Washington since I moved here in 1998, but I'll have to do the research on who the 100+ Republicans co-signing those bills are, so if their names ever come up on a Presidential ballot, I know to skip them.

    There is no legitimate version of Medicare, Medicaid, or the ACA so far as I'm concerned. Any politician who supports them (to any level, or with any vote), ceases to have any potential for getting my support in the future.

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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You are seriously justifying the government taking choice from the people? Damn...
    I didn't justify that anywhere. Incentivizing people isn't denying choice. I believe you have either misread what was said, or you are purposefully mischaracterizing it.
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    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: GOP eyes Dem help on ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I didn't justify that anywhere. Incentivizing people isn't denying choice. I believe you have either misread what was said, or you are purposefully mischaracterizing it.
    Not getting an unnecessary tax used as a giant blowjob to the insurance lobby is an incentive?

    B.F. Skinner would like a word with you.

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