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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    See that's how it starts... then they want civil rights, the vote... next thing you know, it's a genetically engineered monkey's world!
    Yes and that will be the time that personhood will be debated very heavily. As a matter of fact... Dolphins gain unprecedented protection in India | Environment | DW.DE | 24.05.2013
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    Hanging your hat entirely on the CURRENT legality of something you want to be legal and others want to make illegal does not constitute a salient argument. At all.
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    What is "alive" and how does it apply to the fetus?

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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    Yes and that will be the time that personhood will be debated very heavily. As a matter of fact... Dolphins gain unprecedented protection in India | Environment | DW.DE | 24.05.2013
    That's really interesting. Don't think that'll happen here, but non-the-less, it's always good to see animals win a little respect. I have a lot of deer, wild turkey and other critters in my yard pretty frequently. I don't hunt...but I do feed a lot of the wildlife.

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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    it seems to be a given now, in the minds of the majority, that homosexuality is genetic and not environmental.
    What you're describing here is an uninformed public which equates "Genetic" as the antonym of "Environmental." There are a number of ways that homosexuality can develop without finding alleles responsible for its onset and without homosexuality being a choice or an outcome of some environmental influences ( a mean mother, etc.)

    how will people feel if, in time, the genetic marker for homosexuality is discovered and it is used to weed out the defect. It's not a big step from aborting babies based on sex to aborting babies based on sexuality.
    When the testing is ready for market, this will make amniocentesis testing a minor procedure in terms of number of tests performed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    What you're describing here is an uninformed public which equates "Genetic" as the antonym of "Environmental." There are a number of ways that homosexuality can develop without finding alleles responsible for its onset and without homosexuality being a choice or an outcome of some environmental influences ( a mean mother, etc.)
    Yes, his perspective...or knowledge of the subject...is limited. There's every chance it is environmental, but not in the way he understood. Many environmental stresses act on the mother during gestation, and she releases all kinds of different hormones and proteins. Depending on the fetal stage of development, the stress, the hormones....that is the way environment affects the fetus and influences sexual orientation (and other attributes...very possibly autism).
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We could go all kinds of directions - don't want left handed babies, gone - don't want redheads, gone - imagine all the people not allowed to live if the genes related to alzheimers ever becomes known - and on and on.
    Do you mean like the two deaf lesbians?

    A deaf lesbian couple in the US deliberately tried to create a deaf child. Sharon Duchesneau and Candy McCullough hoped their child, conceived with the help of a sperm donor, would be deaf like the rest of the family. Their daughter, five year old Jehanne, is also deaf and was conceived with the same donor. News of the couple choosing to have a deaf child has only been revealed with the birth of their son Gauvin . . . . . Rather than dismiss the idea they found their own sperm donor by asking a deaf friend who comes from a family with five generations of deafness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes, his perspective...or knowledge of the subject...is limited. There's every chance it is environmental, but not in the way he understood. Many environmental stresses act on the mother during gestation, and she releases all kinds of different hormones and proteins. Depending on the fetal stage of development, the stress, the hormones....that is the way environment affects the fetus and influences sexual orientation (and other attributes...very possibly autism).
    I didn't single out CanadaJohn because the problem with his observation isn't his misreading of what everyone knows. I specifically pointed to an uninformed public. There is a widespread belief that the cause is genetic. The factors that you specify don't really get much reporting. There are a host of theoretical problems with the genetic hypothesis. The most parsimonious explanation points to pathogens in the environment. That get's even less reporting than the biological hypothesis you note in your comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I didn't single out CanadaJohn because the problem with his observation isn't his misreading of what everyone knows. I specifically pointed to an uninformed public. There is a widespread belief that the cause is genetic. The factors that you specify don't really get much reporting. There are a host of theoretical problems with the genetic hypothesis. The most parsimonious explanation points to pathogens in the environment. That get's even less reporting than the biological hypothesis you note in your comment.
    That's because most people believe that if you are 'born that way' it must be genetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Man, that's the $64,000 question. But, John, I'm thinking that if things get that advanced, maybe the possibilities of having a pregnancy that would be problematic for any reason won't be an issue anymore....hopefully via prevention of unwanted pregnancy technologies working along side of cures in the womb.
    Could be, but seems to me that removing possibility of problematic pregnancy will only happen when pregnancy becomes a non-human function. It's possible, in time, that all pregnancies will be outside the womb in some form of non-human birth machine that automatically disposes of "problematic" fetuses. When the miracle of life becomes nothing but a mechanical function, that's when human life enters the end stretch. I'll be long gone, thankfully.
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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, CJ.

    With the current rate of abortions, and considering that many of those fetuses were probably healthy, who would be interested in curing a fetus with a birth defect? A few couples might be, for various reasons, but the overwhelming odds against anyone else agreeing to such a procedure are astronomical, IMO.
    Good morning Lady P.

    It may not be in the hands of the parents - as healthcare becomes more state run/state funded, and Obamacare leads down that track, the decisions on expenditure of healthcare resources will be less about what individual patients want/need and more about the value for money of expending on certain procedures. While parents may want a procedure that saves their child, the "system" (insurers/government) may not consider that money well spent.
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    Re: Designer Babies on the Way?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I can't say I agree. When a couple decides they want a baby, they aren't going to abort and a lot of times they let their passion guide them, meaning they will go through some pretty incredible lengths to get what they want. Humans being emotional and often irrational creatures and all.
    I agree that many parents may want to go to such lengths to save their child but it may not be their decision based on cost and/or availability. Those value judgements may be made by others as healthcare becomes more a function of society as opposed to individual responsibility.
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