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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just trying to clairify here...are you trying to say that before the 80's basic infrantrymen didn't come across anything that should have been classified? Or at least is considered as "should have been classified" under today's standards.
    I was in the Infantry back in the 70's. Grunts routinely got secret clearances to be RTO's- the radio operator/pack mule. It was the 'PRiC' 77. RTO's needed to be cleared because of the code book we used, the CEOI. The radio was 'unsecure' but the code book was classified. A PL lost a cover page out of his and we spent two days (the weekend) in the training area looking for it. We had a couple of guys taken away by the Feds when the back round check came back dirty.

    The Dragon AT missile was just coming on line and to attend that school you needed a TS. I attended that school. My family and a few classmates from High School were interviewed.

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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I was in the Infantry back in the 70's. Grunts routinely got secret clearances to be RTO's- the radio operator/pack mule. It was the 'PRiC' 77. RTO's needed to be cleared because of the code book we used, the CEOI. The radio was 'unsecure' but the code book was classified. A PL lost a cover page out of his and we spent two days (the weekend) in the training area looking for it. We had a couple of guys taken away by the Feds when the back round check came back dirty.

    The Dragon AT missile was just coming on line and to attend that school you needed a TS. I attended that school. My family and a few classmates from High School were interviewed.
    Fun. I really have no problem with classifying military secretes such as code words, designs, tactics etc etc and prosecuting those that leak those out. I do have a problem with abuse of that classifying system and prosecuting those that release info of wrong doing by the government. And considering recent history of our government abusing its powers I can't help but consider this act as just a stepping stone to expand and conduct more wrong doing. Our government HAS to be held accountable for its misdeeds and it never will be if they keep everything classified for so long that it no longer matters or is too late to do anything about it. One of the ways that it can be held accountable is through whistle blowers. And the government is doing everything it can to get rid of whistle blowing so that it can continue to do wrong things.

    I know that they claim it is for <insert supposed good reason here> but considering thier actions I doubt it very seriously.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes: Which is why *security clearances not going to total douchewads* is a priority, in my view.

    Do you value American liberties?

    This is what some people seem to be doing: Something is done in regard to a particular position or situation . . . people automatically assume it will be permissible to do in regard to EVERY position or situation. There's no reason, at all, to assume this is how things will turn.

    I do not support that. If this was 'everyone in the US' I'd have issues. But it's not - so I don't.

    Again: don't apply for a security clearance if you're not willing to bear the weight of that.
    Nobody is against people being "cleared" for security clearance. That's not what the op is about however.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I don't care about ignorant people being alarmists regarding things they don't understand, no.
    Your declaration of ignorant people is meaningless. Besides arrogant, but who's surprised.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Your declaration of ignorant people is meaningless. Besides arrogant, but who's surprised.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    U.S. intelligence officials are planning a sweeping system of electronic monitoring that would tap into government, financial and other databases to scan the behavior of many of the 5 million federal employees with secret clearances, current and former officials told The Associated Press.

    The system is intended to identify rogue agents, corrupt officials and leakers, and draws on a Defense Department model under development for more than a decade, according to officials and documents reviewed by the AP.



    Intelligence officials have long wanted a computerized system that could continuously monitor employees, in part to prevent cases similar to former National Security Agency analyst Edward Snowden. His disclosures bared secretive U.S. surveillance operations.

    An administration review of the government's security clearance process due this month is expected to support continuous monitoring as part of a package of comprehensive changes.

    Privacy advocates and government employee union officials expressed concerns that continuous electronic monitoring could intrude into individuals' private lives, prompt flawed investigations and put sensitive personal data at greater risk. Supporters say the system would have safeguards.

    Budget documents released this week show the Pentagon requesting nearly $9 million next year for its insider threat-related research.

    The proposed system would mimic monitoring systems already in use by the airline and banking industries, but it most closely draws from a 10-year-old Pentagon research project known as the Automated Continuous Evaluation System, officials said. The ACES program, designed by researchers from the Monterey, Calif.,-based Defense Personnel and Security Research Center and defense contractor Northrop Grumman, has passed several pilot tests but is not yet in full operation.....snip~

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    So what do you think about this ACES program? So far 84 Million in research. Yet the Pentagon requested 9 Billion for Insider Threat. Thoughts upon the matter.
    Well ill have to look into this deeper and havent heard anything about it yet.

    I myself have clearances and I am already subject to certain types of monitoring because of it. It doesnt bother me it comes with the territory. If im given access to this type of info i should be monitored to a certain extent. Not only to protect the country but to protect me also.

    This only makes sense BUT again Ill have to look deeper.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nobody is against people being "cleared" for security clearance. That's not what the op is about however.
    It's about maintaining that scrutiny - and even furthering it in sight of a number of events over the last decade.

    Well aware of what's being discussed and yet I still have no problem with it.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Well ill have to look into this deeper and havent heard anything about it yet.

    I myself have clearances and I am already subject to certain types of monitoring because of it. It doesnt bother me it comes with the territory. If im given access to this type of info i should be monitored to a certain extent. Not only to protect the country but to protect me also.

    This only makes sense BUT again Ill have to look deeper.

    Heya AJ. Let us know if you do find anything out. Be appreciated brutha.

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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Fun. I really have no problem with classifying military secretes such as code words, designs, tactics etc etc and prosecuting those that leak those out. I do have a problem with abuse of that classifying system and prosecuting those that release info of wrong doing by the government. And considering recent history of our government abusing its powers I can't help but consider this act as just a stepping stone to expand and conduct more wrong doing. Our government HAS to be held accountable for its misdeeds and it never will be if they keep everything classified for so long that it no longer matters or is too late to do anything about it. One of the ways that it can be held accountable is through whistle blowers. And the government is doing everything it can to get rid of whistle blowing so that it can continue to do wrong things.

    I know that they claim it is for <insert supposed good reason here> but considering thier actions I doubt it very seriously.
    I'm with you on this. I was not happy Snowden released so much about over seas intel gathering but was NOT happy the Gubmint was so deep into ahhhhh 'monitoring' Domestic calls. What strikes me as odd is so much damage has been done from military, federal law enforcement, the CIA and defense contractors there really isn't much of a watch dog on those who routinely handle classified documents, but how quickly widespread information gathering on US Citizens was voted on by Congress for 'terrorism'.

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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    So what do you think about this ACES program? So far 84 Million in research. Yet the Pentagon requested 9 Billion for Insider Threat. Thoughts upon the matter.
    As someone with a secret clearance who will be swept and monitored I support this network because I agreed to this kind of surveillance when I applied for the clearance in the first place.

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