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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    U.S. intelligence officials are planning a sweeping system of electronic monitoring that would tap into government, financial and other databases to scan the behavior of many of the 5 million federal employees with secret clearances, current and former officials told The Associated Press.

    The system is intended to identify rogue agents, corrupt officials and leakers, and draws on a Defense Department model under development for more than a decade, according to officials and documents reviewed by the AP.



    Intelligence officials have long wanted a computerized system that could continuously monitor employees, in part to prevent cases similar to former National Security Agency analyst Edward Snowden. His disclosures bared secretive U.S. surveillance operations.

    An administration review of the government's security clearance process due this month is expected to support continuous monitoring as part of a package of comprehensive changes.

    Privacy advocates and government employee union officials expressed concerns that continuous electronic monitoring could intrude into individuals' private lives, prompt flawed investigations and put sensitive personal data at greater risk. Supporters say the system would have safeguards.

    Budget documents released this week show the Pentagon requesting nearly $9 million next year for its insider threat-related research.

    The proposed system would mimic monitoring systems already in use by the airline and banking industries, but it most closely draws from a 10-year-old Pentagon research project known as the Automated Continuous Evaluation System, officials said. The ACES program, designed by researchers from the Monterey, Calif.,-based Defense Personnel and Security Research Center and defense contractor Northrop Grumman, has passed several pilot tests but is not yet in full operation.....snip~

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    So what do you think about this ACES program? So far 84 Million in research. Yet the Pentagon requested 9 Billion for Insider Threat. Thoughts upon the matter.
    Morning MMC, I do not think it would have bothered me one bit. At least once I became married. Besides for people like I was you had to have a SBI done every 5 years. I think it is once every 10 years for those with secret clearances, but not sure. I always joked around that the government knew more about me than I did myself. But that may have been true. But I can only talk from a military point of view. Not any other agency.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Our country hasn't had this level of intrusion in our entire history. Yet we have grown to be the worlds Super Power.
    Kal, From purely a military perspective, I would say this prior to the 80's there was no need for all these security clearances. But technology has advanced to a point that even a basic infantryman, tanker or what have you comes into contact, sometimes on a daily with classified equipment be that whatever it is. Even you basic radio now has encryption embedded in it. No more PRC-25's or PRC-77's.

    I was around on active duty in the early 80's when a lot of this stuff started. I can remember putting VINSON's into our tanks on the East German Border. This is crypto gear to encrypt normal radio traffic from each and every tank. You would be surprised at the number of tankers that couldn't get a secret clearance at that time. Starting then, even you basic tank driver, gunner, etc. needed a secret clearance whereas before they didn't.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Kal, From purely a military perspective, I would say this prior to the 80's there was no need for all these security clearances. But technology has advanced to a point that even a basic infantryman, tanker or what have you comes into contact, sometimes on a daily with classified equipment be that whatever it is. Even you basic radio now has encryption embedded in it. No more PRC-25's or PRC-77's.

    I was around on active duty in the early 80's when a lot of this stuff started. I can remember putting VINSON's into our tanks on the East German Border. This is crypto gear to encrypt normal radio traffic from each and every tank. You would be surprised at the number of tankers that couldn't get a secret clearance at that time. Starting then, even you basic tank driver, gunner, etc. needed a secret clearance whereas before they didn't.
    Just trying to clairify here...are you trying to say that before the 80's basic infrantrymen didn't come across anything that should have been classified? Or at least is considered as "should have been classified" under today's standards.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just trying to clairify here...are you trying to say that before the 80's basic infrantrymen didn't come across anything that should have been classified? Or at least is considered as "should have been classified" under today's standards.
    What I am saying that there was no need for 90% of infantry soldiers, tankers, etc to have a security clearance. Very few would have been around shall we say cryptographic equipment, computers for the most part was some huge big machine that couldn't be moved, classified messages were sent and received in commcenters, not over siprnet which didn't exist back then. The classified stuff on paper, messages, plans, etc. Keying material was either in book, again paper or on a new thing at that time called a key tape. VINSON's, the KY-57 and 58's was brand new, they used electronic key for the first time. Other types of crypto equipment used either cards for example KW-26's, punch Guns, KY-8's, 38's, or wires plugged into a board, KW-7's. Radio commo was done via PRC-77's in the field, non-secure, on Jeeps, APC, command tracks 557's via the VRC-46's series radio, unsecured or SSB with things like RATT which could use a KW-7 or a KY-8. AM commo via the AN/GRC-106 radio.

    No cell phones, blackberries if you will, very few individuals actually came across classified information. But that all changed in the early 80's as the big push was to get the military 100% secured in their communications and handling of material. If I was to take a wild guess, I would say before the 1980's, probably around 90% of those in the military didn't need a security clearance. That could be high as I can't take everything into account. But today I would say probably 75% or more in the military need a security clearance just because of the technology involved. That figure might be low.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Military.

    Don't like it? Don't join the military, become advanced in rank, and don't APPLY for a security clearance which involves: a vetting process during which your NEIGHBORS and others will be questioned about you, your criminal record and financial history is perused, and your daily habits and interests are studied.

    Okay - it's not like they're working at freaking Walmart as a sales clerk. They're being given permission to be involved - make decision in regard to and gain access to - various levels of classified documents, events and actions. Not just embarrassing US political banter in the form of personal opinions and memos.

    They've slacked in all these areas: things they should have already been doing. Our country has suffered for it.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's not intruding on your life: it would be intruding on mine. I think it's wise, not intrusion. Nor is it *a new concept*

    Like I said: don't like it - don't join the military and eventually apply for security clearance.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I'm not even sure what the issue is. I could be into the craziest scat porn or Star Trek fanfiction or whatever: no one is going to care.
    You don't care about ****.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't care about ****.
    I don't care about ignorant people being alarmists regarding things they don't understand, no.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You don't value American civil liberties?
    Yes: Which is why *security clearances not going to total douchewads* is a priority, in my view.

    Do you value American liberties?

    This is what some people seem to be doing: Something is done in regard to a particular position or situation . . . people automatically assume it will be permissible to do in regard to EVERY position or situation. There's no reason, at all, to assume this is how things will turn.

    I do not support that. If this was 'everyone in the US' I'd have issues. But it's not - so I don't.

    Again: don't apply for a security clearance if you're not willing to bear the weight of that.
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    Re: US Network to Scan Workers with Secret Clearances......

    Since the constitution no longer is effective why not just trash it altogether?
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