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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Russia seems to wish it's own course, away from the world community. The most important step in accomplishing this would be economic separation...unfortunately for the country, it is likely to lead to great difficulty for the population. I doubt Putin is ignorant enough to ignore the long term implications, and risk revolution from the people...they have it bad enough as it is.

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Russia has $200 billion in US bonds and could dump them to drop US Dollar value. Russia is the World's largest energy exporter and could price its' energy in Rubles and reduce demand for the US Petrodollar. Russia runs a surplus not a debt as the USA does. I think Putin usually does what's best for Russia and gives the World the finger regarding
    hypocritical accusations of Imperialism, expansion, etc. We are the ones that screwed Russia after the breakup of the USSR by encroaching upon Russia with NATO, missile bases and economic interference (a la Ukraine). If you check the inputs for all those pipelines bottlenecked through Ukraine, you will observe that the pipelines are filled with Russian petro. I wonder who controls the valves at the input? It's the typical Russian bear and do you want to poke the bear with a short stick in the bear's own badkyard? It doesn't require rocket science to analyze the problems and solutions for the Ukraine. I, for one, trust Putin and see in all the dealings since the USSR breakup that the USA has been dealing from the bottom of the deck.

    Russia has $200 billion in US bonds and could dump them to drop US Dollar value. Russia is the World's largest energy exporter and could price its' energy in Rubles and reduce demand for the US Petrodollar. Russia runs a surplus not a debt as the USA does. I think Putin usually does what's best for Russia and gives the World the finger regarding
    hypocritical accusations of Imperialism, expansion, etc. We are the ones that screwed Russia after the breakup of the USSR by encroaching upon Russia with NATO, missile bases and economic interference (a la Ukraine). If you check the inputs for all those pipelines bottlenecked through Ukraine, you will observe that the pipelines are filled with Russian petro. I wonder who controls the valves at the input? It's the typical Russian bear and do you want to poke the bear with a short stick in the bear's own badkyard? It doesn't require rocket science to analyze the problems and solutions for the Ukraine. I, for one, trust Putin and see in all the dealings since the USSR breakup that the USA has been dealing from the bottom of the deck.



    According to the below article, it's highly improbable.
    This is silly. Russia's "$200 billion in US debt" is part of it's strategically built foreign currency/exchange reserves. The value of this reserve forms a critical part of Russia's ability to meet financial crisis, stabilize the ruble, and enable banks to meet obligations in a dollar dominated global economy. Even if they did decide to go on a suicidal liquidation spree the result of a measly $200 billion being offloaded at once would result in mild damage and interest rate spikes before stabilizing while simultaneously resulting in the loss of billions for Russia by slashing the value of the debt instruments Russia allegedly wants to sell. Or they can dribble it out still lose their reserves and do no damage at all.

    Yay!

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Oh Jesus Christ.

    Forget I engaged in a conversation with you.

    This kind of irrational, school-yard nonsense response to something that isn't any of our ****ing business is why I thank God every day that we've got a spineless idiot in the White House rather than an idiot who would gladly sacrifice 10,000 American lives to defend nothing, but look like a Wild West tough guy doing.
    He's absolutely right, and if you think putting troops in Kiev and Odessa both of which are several hundred miles from the closest Russian military position is the equivalent of 'sacrificing 10,000 American lives' you are the one engaging in school yard hyperbole. The point is to establish a NATO tripwire and prevent a Russian advance from cresting any further than those locations. I don't think you need to send troops quite yet but we should be mobilizing and making demonstrative movements on the border ahead of our Article 4 consultations with Poland.

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The EU depends on Russia for natural gas.

    Natural gas requires infrastructure, it's not like they can "get oil from somewhere else" like you laughably say. You need things like pipelines and distribution networks. Right now, Europe's only option is Russia.

    Russia has Europe by the balls. That's why I've been saying from day 1 that Obama's economic threats are hollow and were a dumb idea to begin with.

    What a joke this administration is.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is silly. Russia's "$200 billion in US debt" is part of it's strategically built foreign currency/exchange reserves. The value of this reserve forms a critical part of Russia's ability to meet financial crisis, stabilize the ruble, and enable banks to meet obligations in a dollar dominated global economy. Even if they did decide to go on a suicidal liquidation spree the result of a measly $200 billion being offloaded at once would result in mild damage and interest rate spikes before stabilizing while simultaneously resulting in the loss of billions for Russia by slashing the value of the debt instruments Russia allegedly wants to sell. Or they can dribble it out still lose their reserves and do no damage at all.

    Yay!
    Careful. You're ruining Dave's 'the sky is falling and the Russians win' prediction. Wishful thinking on his part.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    He's absolutely right, and if you think putting troops in Kiev and Odessa both of which are several hundred miles from the closest Russian military position is the equivalent of 'sacrificing 10,000 American lives' you are the one engaging in school yard hyperbole. The point is to establish a NATO tripwire and prevent a Russian advance from cresting any further than those locations. I don't think you need to send troops quite yet but we should be mobilizing and making demonstrative movements on the border ahead of our Article 4 consultations with Poland.
    Really? I can't see that that's necessary, for the US for sure and probably not NATO either. Putins done what he needed to, things will calm, nobody was killed, Ukrainian infrastructure wasn't harmed, things are fine.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is silly. Russia's "$200 billion in US debt" is part of it's strategically built foreign currency/exchange reserves. The value of this reserve forms a critical part of Russia's ability to meet financial crisis, stabilize the ruble, and enable banks to meet obligations in a dollar dominated global economy. Even if they did decide to go on a suicidal liquidation spree the result of a measly $200 billion being offloaded at once would result in mild damage and interest rate spikes before stabilizing while simultaneously resulting in the loss of billions for Russia by slashing the value of the debt instruments Russia allegedly wants to sell. Or they can dribble it out still lose their reserves and do no damage at all.

    Yay!
    The question of the poll regards Russia's ability to cause harm to the USA economy and I see that you agree, even though it might be painful for them. We don't usually agree, I'm surprised. Now about that 6,000,000 barrels of OIL per day that might be sold in Rubles reducing demand for the USDollar. I hope your ears are not as limited as your comprehension and the math works for you. You can use a $100 a barrel to make the math easier. Don't forget to connect the feeding tube from the Mighty Wurlitzer so you can get your talking points. Don't pay no attention to them that says the USA and Nuland worked inside the coup. Don't pay no attention to Ashton conversation regarding protestor aligned snipers did all the shooting. Don't pay no attention to the super coincidence that Nuland's annoited becomes the new leader as planned. Heavens to Murgatroyd and don't be blaspheming the EU for wanting a deal that develues Ukrainian currency. Think really bad thoughts about those nasty Russians selling Ukraine Natural Gas at nearly half of World Market value and saving the peasants and peons money and loaning $15 billion without devaluing the currency to raise costs to each and every Ukrainian. Youza, Bubba, you surely got it goin' on, or not.

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Russia seems to wish it's own course, away from the world community. The most important step in accomplishing this would be economic separation...unfortunately for the country, it is likely to lead to great difficulty for the population. I doubt Putin is ignorant enough to ignore the long term implications, and risk revolution from the people...they have it bad enough as it is.
    I'd like links proving how bad things are in Russia. Perhaps Russia and Putin don't see the NWO (New World Order) as a desirable option. Idon't, so I'm not surprised by the thought. The NWO is the definition of a World Corporatocracy runs by teh paper pushers. Those are industries not associated with labor. Labor is moving dirt, moving bricks, moving steel, moving mountains and developing infrastructure to move all obstacles. Bankers, brokers, hedge funds, etc. move paper, notice no dirt, bricks, mountains, etc. The biggest reason Russia will not intitate action to damage the USDollar is because it damages the World economy of which Russia is a part. Putin has to be aware that the fragile nature of the overextended fiat currency and unlimited printing of debt has trapped the Banking World in a morass that remains intact because all parties have to support the US Dollar to prevent a WorldWide crash. On the other hand, it is available as a weapon. Remember that it is only "CONFIDENCE" that allows Fiat Currency to survive. It is backed by nothing. Airballs. No Gold, No Silver. A vibrant economy with positive tax collections keeps a Fiat Currency alive with "CONFIDENCE" and I haven't seen any of that here in the USA. As a matter of fact, all the numerical indicators are negative since the beginning of the GW Bush Great Depression and the financial legerdemain that has followed. If Obama continues to treat Russia like an ugly stepchild there will be hell to pay. Russia had enough money to waste $50 billion on the Sochi Olympics, successfully, I might add. I still view all of Russia's actions in Ukraine/Crimea in the best interests of Ukraine. The Ukraine needs the EU about as much as I need debilitating disease. Russia discounted gas to Ukraine. Russia loaned Ukraine $15 billion with bonds as collateral. No other Nation, or group of Nations has actually helped Ukraine.

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Seems to me we've plenty of resources on our own, if we'd just get off our political dairy-aires to exploit them properly. Let's go out and build our oil and natural gas resources as we ought, putting what, some estimated 50,000 people to work in the process, and drive down the price of oil and natural gas - prices Russia NEEDS to be as high as possible to fund their government - and let's bring them to their knees economically (again), while kick-starting our economy, making us independent on foreign oil and put a stop to this nonsense.
    Yes, but we have our EU allies to worry about. This is a team effort.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    Yes, but we have our EU allies to worry about. This is a team effort.
    No, there's nothing to worry about.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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