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Thread: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Seems to me we've plenty of resources on our own, if we'd just get off our political dairy-aires to exploit them properly. Let's go out and build our oil and natural gas resources as we ought, putting what, some estimated 50,000 people to work in the process, and drive down the price of oil and natural gas - prices Russia NEEDS to be as high as possible to fund their government - and let's bring them to their knees economically (again), while kick-starting our economy, making us independent on foreign oil and put a stop to this nonsense.
    WE are fine, WE don't need Russia at all, the EUROPEANS are not. THEY need Russia. Get it?

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    WE are fine, WE don't need Russia at all, the EUROPEANS are not. THEY need Russia. Get it?
    I get it. But if WE took advantage of our plentiful and abundant resources, like oil and natural gas, WE could sell them to the Europeans and then they'd be less dependent on Russia for them - which would force the Russians to drop their prices - who, btw NEED Europe to be buying their oil as much as Europe needs Russia at the moment to supply it.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I get it. But if WE took advantage of our plentiful and abundant resources, like oil and natural gas, WE could sell them to the Europeans and then they'd be less dependent on Russia for them - which would force the Russians to drop their prices - who, btw NEED Europe to be buying their oil as much as Europe needs Russia at the moment to supply it.
    Yes, and that's in the works, but delivering oil and gas takes serious infrastructure. Long story short, it will be a couple years before we can sell gas to the Europeans. Russia can cut off their pipelines tomorrow. What's Europe gonna do in the meantime?

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    And I see this as another factor now added to the Keystone XL decision .
    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I get it. But if WE took advantage of our plentiful and abundant resources, like oil and natural gas, WE could sell them to the Europeans and then they'd be less dependent on Russia for them - which would force the Russians to drop their prices - who, btw NEED Europe to be buying their oil as much as Europe needs Russia at the moment to supply it.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, and that's in the works, but delivering oil and gas takes serious infrastructure. Long story short, it will be a couple years before we can sell gas to the Europeans. Russia can cut off their pipelines tomorrow. What's Europe gonna do in the meantime?
    No argument there. It's something we should've (could've) been working on for years now - and would've were it not for the yahoo in the WH now.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Consider the following:

    Neither the United States nor anyone else is going to get into a war over who controls Crimea. And if Obama proposes economic sanctions, he'll find himself pretty much going it alone.

    Russia, as the world's third-largest producer of both oil and natural gas, is just too important for most countries to play economic hardball with. The Western European nations who are most dismayed by Putin's adventuring in Ukraine are also the least able to do anything about it: More than a third of their natural gas is supplied by Russia.

    Fortunately, Obama has some options that won't require him to ask Congress for a supplemental appropriation for red-paint thinner. Without risking a life or spending a penny, he can bring crushing pressure to bear on Putin. All he's got to do is borrow a page from Ronald Reagan's foreign-policy playbook.

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    Reagan's military confrontations with Putin's Soviet predecessors - the contras, the mujahedeen, Star Wars - are well-known. But his most effective policy is less remembered: Reagan relentlessly jawboned Saudi Arabia to boost its oil production.

    That increased supply and decreased prices, ripping the heart out of Moscow's oil-export business, sent its already shaky economy into a tailspin. Less than a decade later, the Soviet Union collapsed.

    Obama can do the same thing to Putin, without even asking for help from Saudi Arabia. All he has to do is stop interfering with the U.S. production of natural gas through fracking, and stop blocking construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The EU depends on Russia for natural gas.

    Natural gas requires infrastructure, it's not like they can "get oil from somewhere else" like you laughably say. You need things like pipelines and distribution networks. Right now, Europe's only option is Russia.
    Right, and like everyone else you're only looking at half of the equation.

    Russia's oil and natural gas industry, with the EU as her primary export partner, brings in 30% of the country’s GDP and 60% of its export earnings.

    Can Russia afford to lose that?

    Can Putin allow that to happen and not have a 21st century Russian Revolution on his hands?

    Russia has Europe by the balls.
    And Europe has Russia by the balls.

    Or maybe neither has the other by the balls?

    Maybe they're just deeply involved in a more-or-less exclusive economic relationship that neither can afford to screw up and neither intends to over some white trash bull**** like Ukraine.

    That's why I've been saying from day 1 that Obama's economic threats are hollow and were a dumb idea to begin with.

    What a joke this administration is.
    Oh please, every Republican within marathon distance of a microphone these last couple days has been falling all over himself to run his suck about how evil Russia is and how we need to bring her to heel.

    If we had some bellicose, idiot Republican in office the hollow rhetoric would have been ten times as loud, ten times as fast, and would probably also include hollow military threats to boot; or worse, real military threats that would end up getting American kids killed to defend the asshole hole of the world from some illusory Russian invasion that most of the Ukrainian population actually probably favors.

    Now, mind you, I agree that President Obama and his administration are a joke.

    I just think that the alternative would be a bigger joke.

    I can't imagine that glad-handing douchebag Romney having to handle this.

    He'd have a bunch of chickenhawk retards chattering in his ear and next thing you know the CIA would be sending truckloads of MANPADS to ultra-right-wing Western Ukrainian "freedom fighters" that we'll see on the State Department's terrorist organizations list in 10 years.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    We should have put reinforcements in Kiev yesterday. Negotiate from a position of strength.
    Oh Jesus Christ.

    Forget I engaged in a conversation with you.

    This kind of irrational, school-yard nonsense response to something that isn't any of our ****ing business is why I thank God every day that we've got a spineless idiot in the White House rather than an idiot who would gladly sacrifice 10,000 American lives to defend nothing, but look like a Wild West tough guy doing.
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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    No argument there. It's something we should've (could've) been working on for years now - and would've were it not for the yahoo in the WH now.
    We are working on it. I'm personally involved to an extent. It's just a big project, and nobody really saw a crisis like this coming.

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    Re: Russia warns could 'reduce to zero' economic dependency on US

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Right, and like everyone else you're only looking at half of the equation.

    Russia's oil and natural gas industry, with the EU as her primary export partner, brings in 30% of the country’s GDP and 60% of its export earnings.

    Can Russia afford to lose that?

    Can Putin allow that to happen and not have a 21st century Russian Revolution on his hands?



    And Europe has Russia by the balls.

    Or maybe neither has the other by the balls?

    Maybe they're just deeply involved in a more-or-less exclusive economic relationship that neither can afford to screw up and neither intends to over some white trash bull**** like Ukraine.



    Oh please, every Republican within marathon distance of a microphone these last couple days has been falling all over himself to run his suck about how evil Russia is and how we need to bring her to heel.

    If we had some bellicose, idiot Republican in office the hollow rhetoric would have been ten times as loud, ten times as fast, and would probably also include hollow military threats to boot; or worse, real military threats that would end up getting American kids killed to defend the asshole hole of the world from some illusory Russian invasion that most of the Ukrainian population actually probably favors.

    Now, mind you, I agree that President Obama and his administration are a joke.

    I just think that the alternative would be a bigger joke.

    I can't imagine that glad-handing douchebag Romney having to handle this.

    He'd have a bunch of chickenhawk retards chattering in his ear and next thing you know the CIA would be sending truckloads of MANPADS to ultra-right-wing Western Ukrainian "freedom fighters" that we'll see on the State Department's terrorist organizations list in 10 years.

    The Russians have always respected Republicans, and they've always walked all over the Democrats. Clinton was the only exception. They tried to walk all over Kennedy too, but he stood up to them.

    Russians respond to strength, and when you negotiate with them you must negotiate from a position of power. Read Kissinger. Obama's problem is that he's negotiating from a weak position and the Russians know it.

    As for who needs whom.... yeah Russia enjoys the money from the EU, but who's gonna suffer more.... EU without energy or Russia without a few Euros? Russia can print more money and get by in the short term. Europeans will freeze the rest of this winter. I think the Russians have the upper hand.

    Which is precisely why the USA is doing all the talking and the EU is staying quiet. They're gonna owe us big time for this.

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