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Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended [W:148:245]

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Because when I think of open minds you're the first person that comes up.

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An unfortunate view if you had a son.

Claiming this had something to do with guns is absurd. However, this could have been ongoing bullying and intimidating the other kid, which may have warranted some punitive action in that regards.

There can be a huge difference in size for 5th graders. It is sad to think that a parent would be ashamed of her/his child because their child was afraid of someone twice his size.

We're not talking about bullying or guns. We're talking about harmless child's play that involves pretendind that a pointed finger is a gun, and cretinous adults who are reacting in a stupid, exaggerated, and harmful manner to this harmless play; and children being unjustly punished for these adults' stupidity.

It is these adults who should be punished for their own stupidity, and not the children whi have this misfortune of finding themselves under the authority of these cretins.
 
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What funeral? Do you really mean to suggest that anyone might kill my hypothetical child merely by pointing a finger?
Symbolically, yes. Humans love symbols that represent and mean things. Some will even idolize and/or die for them. Come on, even a 10 year old knows a finger gun symbolizes a real gun. And too, the kid knew to symbolically shoot his classmate in the head. ha ha ha I wonder where he learned that?

So here we have a child who obviously likes to play with guns and obviously doesn't respect/know how to use one or understand that owning a gun is a responsibility (see the youtube videos) and that there are rules to handling and owning a gun, just as there are rules to follow in school and in society.

But this kid thinks the rules don't apply to him and that mentality is being reinforced by his father. So if his parents don't care and he contnues to break the school rules, then they should expel him (apparently, it's a state law they must) and stop wasting tax dollars on a kid who continually disrupts class to prevent others from learning. Perhaps, a little home schoolin would do the parents good, too.
 
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Removal of all fingers is in order.
 
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We're not talking about bullying or guns. We're talking about harmless child's play that involves pretendind that a pointed finger is a gun, and cretinous adults who are reacting in a stupid, exaggerated, and harmful manner to this harmless play; and children being unjustly punished for these adults' stupidity.

It is these adults who should be punished for their own stupidity, and not the children whi have this misfortune of finding themselves under the authority of these cretins.

I do not think it was "gun" misconduct, but it could have been bullying, which should not be allowed.
 
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that's really silly to think kids playing with their fingers equates to people being shot

"Bang bang, you're dead." How do kids know how to imitate guns and killing people? Kids are like monkeys that imitate what they see. Thats how most primates learn...monkey see, monkey do.


I'm old enough to remember when they took Quick Draw McGraw's guns away. So I do understand how you feel, TD.

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I do not think it was "gun" misconduct, but it could have been bullying, which should not be allowed.

Yea, god forbid we tell kids to stand up to a bully. But I don't think that was the case here.
 
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Unless the kid was actually threatening someone (and it doesn't sound like he was), this is absurd.
 
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We're not talking about bullying or guns. We're talking about harmless child's play that involves pretendind that a pointed finger is a gun, and cretinous adults who are reacting in a stupid, exaggerated, and harmful manner to this harmless play; and children being unjustly punished for these adults' stupidity.

It is these adults who should be punished for their own stupidity, and not the children whi have this misfortune of finding themselves under the authority of these cretins.

Are you aware that schools all over the nation from coast to coast have adopted the policy of zero tolerance on threats and children are ordered by school administration and teaching staff to report any and all possible threats - no matter who they come from.

Are you taking the position that the policy itself is flawed and the people who run our schools are somehow "cretins" for trying to protect children with this policy?

Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?
 
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12 students expelled - so their academic futures destroyed - and 419 suspended as punishment for children failing to yield to a political propaganda campaign.
The Columbus school district 12 students expelled and 69 suspended.
Parents do need to instruct their children there: "The teachers are your enemy. They want to hurt you."

"Instruct children: the teacher is your enemy?" Geez, no wonder the US is slipping behind in education. Did it ever occur to you the children might have been the problem and not the teachers? Children can be little monsters and very manipulative....especially if they're ADHD. Ever see the "The Bad Seed?" The Omen? By the sound of it, that poor school had more than their share of little monsters. They'd been trying to deal with the problem for over a month.
 
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Yea, god forbid we tell kids to stand up to a bully. But I don't think that was the case here.

The little kid punching the big bully in the nose and bully runs away crying is an Andy Griffith Mayberry script, not reality.
 
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The little kid punching the big bully in the nose and bully runs away crying is an Andy Griffith Mayberry script, not reality.

One punch? No man, no way. Punch till your arms fall off then start kicking.
 
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I think sometimes we can get so emotionaly invested in our particular political "side" that people can't possibly dare to use a little common sense and understanding in a situation for fear of giving a little inch...

Look, if the kid was "pointing his finger like a gun" accompanied by other evidence of threatening, bullying, taunting a particular kid then I can understand the suspension...not becuase of mimicing a "gun" but because bullying/threatening another student is absolutely a legitimate reason for suspension. Anyone suggesting that said movement CAN'T be used as a threatening gesture is being amazingly dishonest. For example, lets look at movies. Anyone remember this in Gran Tornio?

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What was it's purpose? It was Eastwoods character attempting to intimidate and threaten the teens. Or more specifically, when he does it to the passing car of those giving his neighbor a hard time (who he later goes to their house, specifically with the point of making them think he had a gun).

On the flip side....

If it's simply because he was "mimicing a gun", that's a bit ridiculous. There's plenty of ways to do the finger gun motion without it being reasonable to take it as threatening or dangerous in any degree. And abscent any significant supporting evidence into the issue, suspending someone simply for making that motion...even if it's towards another kid...is a bit over the top. Going to movies as a reference again, it'd be ridiculous to suggest someone using the finger guns like Shooter McGavin is somehow threatening or indicating any level of danger or discomfort for a student:

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The problem is...and this is largely been caused by both sides over the year...schools have entered into such a "zero tolerance" ground that often nuance and context are hardly able or even desired to be used.

If we're arguably SINGULARLY about the finger gun, we're being a bit ridiculous here unless there's some evidence or reason to suggest that the suspension was because of that alone and specifically becuase it "resembles a gun".
 
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The only finger gesture I got in trouble for involved the middle digit. :lol:
 
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Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended - ABC News


A central Ohio principal says she suspended a 10-year-old boy from school for three days for pretending his finger was a gun and pointing it at another student's head.The boy's father says it's the adults who are acting childish for suspending the boy from Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in Columbus last week.

I'm with the dad on this one.

Seems Devonshire is a elementry for "at risk" children. The story seems inocuos, but there is no way of knowing his temperment or intent in doing this. My girlfriend works with lld kids and it drains the life out of her.

Devonshire Alternative Elementary School - About Us
 
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"Instruct children: the teacher is your enemy?" Geez, no wonder the US is slipping behind in education. Did it ever occur to you the children might have been the problem and not the teachers? Children can be little monsters and very manipulative....especially if they're ADHD. Ever see the "The Bad Seed?" The Omen? By the sound of it, that poor school had more than their share of little monsters. They'd been trying to deal with the problem for over a month.
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But that's not the issue. Children can be difficult, yes. Yet that isn't want the suspensions and expulsions were for. They were for an adult social agenda and a harmful one.

Yes, my message was overstated to make a point. The point is that school officials will destroy a child's academic history not for grades, lack of attendance or legitimate misconduct, but for intolerant and unrealistic even to believe all child could comply with some adults using the school for their social agenda.
 
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Seems Devonshire is a elementry for "at risk" children. The story seems inocuos, but there is no way of knowing his temperment or intent in doing this. My girlfriend works with lld kids and it drains the life out of her.

Devonshire Alternative Elementary School - About Us

In 2013, Devonshire Alternative Elementary School ranked worse than 78.4% of elementary schools in Ohio. It also ranked 19th among 74 ranked elementary schools in the Columbus City School District.

The second sentence added to the first one says the entire school district is a disaster. If Devonshire school is worse than 78% of schools in the state, BUT is better than over 65% of the other schools in the district?

Time to get rid of the school officials who believe school is their personal political and social-left goals and instead have school officials who are educators.
 
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But that's not the issue. Children can be difficult, yes. Yet that isn't want the suspensions and expulsions were for. They were for an adult social agenda and a harmful one.
Of course teaching children is a social agenda. Can you imagine a society where the children can't read, write or count? How long do you think the US would last as an international leader with a dumbed down illiterate population? Because that's exactly what it looks like you're advocating with your anti social agenda nonsense.

Yes, my message was overstated to make a point. The point is that school officials will destroy a child's academic history not for grades, lack of attendance or legitimate misconduct, but for intolerant and unrealistic even to believe all child could comply with some adults using the school for their social agenda.
What ridiculous propagnda are you basing your opinion on?
 
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I think sometimes we can get so emotionaly invested in our particular political "side" that people can't possibly dare to use a little common sense and understanding in a situation for fear of giving a little inch...

Look, if the kid was "pointing his finger like a gun" accompanied by other evidence of threatening, bullying, taunting a particular kid then I can understand the suspension...not becuase of mimicing a "gun" but because bullying/threatening another student is absolutely a legitimate reason for suspension. Anyone suggesting that said movement CAN'T be used as a threatening gesture is being amazingly dishonest. For example, lets look at movies. Anyone remember this in Gran Tornio?

clint-eastwood-finger-gun-o.gif


What was it's purpose? It was Eastwoods character attempting to intimidate and threaten the teens. Or more specifically, when he does it to the passing car of those giving his neighbor a hard time (who he later goes to their house, specifically with the point of making them think he had a gun).

On the flip side....

If it's simply because he was "mimicing a gun", that's a bit ridiculous. There's plenty of ways to do the finger gun motion without it being reasonable to take it as threatening or dangerous in any degree. And abscent any significant supporting evidence into the issue, suspending someone simply for making that motion...even if it's towards another kid...is a bit over the top. Going to movies as a reference again, it'd be ridiculous to suggest someone using the finger guns like Shooter McGavin is somehow threatening or indicating any level of danger or discomfort for a student:

shooter-mcgavin-o.gif


The problem is...and this is largely been caused by both sides over the year...schools have entered into such a "zero tolerance" ground that often nuance and context are hardly able or even desired to be used.

If we're arguably SINGULARLY about the finger gun, we're being a bit ridiculous here unless there's some evidence or reason to suggest that the suspension was because of that alone and specifically becuase it "resembles a gun".

Maybe it was uncomfortable for the teacher and disruptive to her class. Did you ever think of that?

It wasn't just the one boy doing it, it was a group of boys playing a cop and robber game that didn't belong in the classroom. If it was just one incident I'm sure the school could have handled it just fine, but the problem extended over the course of a month throughout the school and with several letters going out to parents, notifying them of the problem and the repercussions for their kids. Nathan was the first to get caught and suffer the consequences. It's not like he wasn't warned and he admits that himself. So instead of blaming the teacher for trying to do her job, why not let the little lad start to grow up and take responsibilty for his actions...or isn't that allowed in today's society anymore?
 
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Of course teaching children is a social agenda. Can you imagine a society where the children can't read, write or count? How long do you think the US would last as an international leader with a dumbed down illiterate population? Because that's exactly what it looks like you're advocating with your anti social agenda nonsense.

What ridiculous propagnda are you basing your opinion on?

You threw out integrity pretty quickly on this one, since you exactly know that "social agenda" does not mean learning English and math.
 
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One punch? No man, no way. Punch till your arms fall off then start kicking.

That is what the bully would be doing to your kid - because you told your kid you would disown him and be ashamed of him if he didn't fight a kid twice his size.
 
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You threw out integrity pretty quickly on this one, since you exactly know that "social agenda" does not mean learning English and math.

You're just oozing with mind numbing propaganda today. Sorry but my eyes are starting to glaze over.
 
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Are you aware that schools all over the nation from coast to coast have adopted the policy of zero tolerance on threats and children are ordered by school administration and teaching staff to report any and all possible threats - no matter who they come from.

Are you taking the position that the policy itself is flawed and the people who run our schools are somehow "cretins" for trying to protect children with this policy?

Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?

that is because it removes having to use judgment and thinking from the duties of the school administrators. Its a policy tailored to fit people who have shortages of both attributes.
 
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