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Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended [W:148:245]

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That is what the bully would be doing to your kid - because you told your kid you would disown him and be ashamed of him if he didn't fight a kid twice his size.

Are we really talking about MY kid? Mine knew to NEVER back down, back away, grovel, cry or beg. Mine, like me, were told as soon as it looked like you were going be pushed, touched, punched, slapped to go for it. Knock the crap out of them. I got your back. But dont let me find out that you were the bully. My parents and then me raised no sissies.
They were also told once it was on, it was on till the end. And everything was fair. Everything. Anyway you can cause them pain do it.
Let me guess, you told yours to run and find a teacher. Who wouldnt care if your kid was laying there in a pool of blood.
 
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Are you aware that schools all over the nation from coast to coast have adopted the policy of zero tolerance on threats and children are ordered by school administration and teaching staff to report any and all possible threats - no matter who they come from.

Are you taking the position that the policy itself is flawed and the people who run our schools are somehow "cretins" for trying to protect children with this policy?

Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?

It takes a cretin to see harmless and common child's play as a “threat” worthy of punishment; which is very much what appears to be happening here.
 
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The little kid punching the big bully in the nose and bully runs away crying is an Andy Griffith Mayberry script, not reality.

Most bullies are cowards, who only pick on victims that they do not expect to fight back.

If a bully picks on someone smaller and weaker than himself, but his victim does fight back, the bully is going to get hurt. Perhaps he won't be hurt as badly as his victim, but he will be hurt. And next time, he'll choose a different victim, and hope that that victim doesn't fight back. The one who fought back, he'll likely leave alone.
 
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Most bullies are cowards, who only pick on victims that they do not expect to fight back.

If a bully picks on someone smaller and weaker than himself, but his victim does fight back, the bully is going to get hurt. Perhaps he won't be hurt as badly as his victim, but he will be hurt. And next time, he'll choose a different victim, and hope that that victim doesn't fight back. The one who fought back, he'll likely leave alone.

true, i was pretty small until about age 15 or so and when I started a new school in seventh grade I got picked on a lot by a couple bullies. I got tired of it and one day I just opened up and hit the guy with the hardest right cross a 110 pound 13 year old could throw (thanks to my father who was the navy middleweight champion) an caught the kid right under the eye-

I didn't get picked on much any more and by 16 I was a black belt and 6-1 so I was almost immune. my junior year the senior "tough guy" apparently hadn't got the word until the ambulance guys woke him up. after that I never had any issues
 
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In 2013, Devonshire Alternative Elementary School ranked worse than 78.4% of elementary schools in Ohio. It also ranked 19th among 74 ranked elementary schools in the Columbus City School District.

The second sentence added to the first one says the entire school district is a disaster. If Devonshire school is worse than 78% of schools in the state, BUT is better than over 65% of the other schools in the district?

Time to get rid of the school officials who believe school is their personal political and social-left goals and instead have school officials who are educators.

I agree; but there are many more problems in failing schools than inept administrations or left leaning ideals...

I don't know this child's personal history, but I doubt he is just the average "Johnny playing cops and robbers" in the school yard.
 
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In certain bad areas, making a gun with your hand and "shooting" someone with it is a pretty grave threat. And 10 year olds from those areas know it.

Is this an inner city school, or near the hood?
 
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that is because it removes having to use judgment and thinking from the duties of the school administrators. Its a policy tailored to fit people who have shortages of both attributes.

Is it your position then that parents like yourself should tell their children to NOT follow the school directives and NOT report incidents like this thereby directly violating the rules of the school?
 
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It takes a cretin to see harmless and common child's play as a “threat” worthy of punishment; which is very much what appears to be happening here.

Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?
 
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Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?

Of course they should, we need the next generation of nosey little punks.
 
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Are you taking the position that children should be told by parents NOT to follow school instructions and to NOT report what they have been told to report?

No we are taking the position that the school should use their heads and their brains (it is school after all) to say is this a threat or kids play. No tolerance means no thinking which when it comes to school is a the ultimate irony.

the school that fears thinking all in all not cool
 
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Is it your position then that parents like yourself should tell their children to NOT follow the school directives and NOT report incidents like this thereby directly violating the rules of the school?
If a school directive is totally idiotic (and in this case it is) then the answer is yes. I want my kids to grow up to be independent thinkers with common sense, not dumb little fascists.
 
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No we are taking the position that the school should use their heads and their brains (it is school after all) to say is this a threat or kids play. No tolerance means no thinking which when it comes to school is a the ultimate irony.

the school that fears thinking all in all not cool

Don't blame the school, they were simply complying with Ohio state law of "zero tolerance". According to the state law, the school didn't have to give the boy any warnings at all before suspending him...but instead they gave him and the other boys and their parents many warnings over the course of a month before they finally took action. The school isn't the problem, the parents are.
 
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Did everyone miss this part...
Devonshire Principal Patricia Price has warned students about pretend gun play numerous times this year, and everyone should know the rules by now.
It must have been a problem if it was not just escalated but escalated numerous times. And where were the parents when this policy was first proposed? People keep talking about "zero tolerance", but this has nothing to do with zero tolerance. This was a campus wide problem that had been going on for some time.
 
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In 2013, Devonshire Alternative Elementary School ranked worse than 78.4% of elementary schools in Ohio. It also ranked 19th among 74 ranked elementary schools in the Columbus City School District.

The second sentence added to the first one says the entire school district is a disaster. If Devonshire school is worse than 78% of schools in the state, BUT is better than over 65% of the other schools in the district?

Time to get rid of the school officials who believe school is their personal political and social-left goals and instead have school officials who are educators.

Apparently, the Devonshire Alternative Elementry is school for problem children, hence the name "alternative". So what do you suggest to replace it?
 
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Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended - ABC News


A central Ohio principal says she suspended a 10-year-old boy from school for three days for pretending his finger was a gun and pointing it at another student's head.The boy's father says it's the adults who are acting childish for suspending the boy from Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in Columbus last week.

I'm with the dad on this one.

Common sense is something in very short supply in our society today. Being it something as foolish as this or suspending another child for eating a pop tart into the form of a gun. I have only one question, are we ruled by simple minded idiots? Are simple minded idiots in charge of schools, government, police and other institutions? It sure seems so.
 
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Common sense is something in very short supply in our society today. Being it something as foolish as this or suspending another child for eating a pop tart into the form of a gun. I have only one question, are we ruled by simple minded idiots? Are simple minded idiots in charge of schools, government, police and other institutions? It sure seems so.

A rush to judgement before knowing all the facts is pretty simple minded, too.
 
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I'm sorry, but what is it exactly that you don't understand?

Do you think the schools just make these rules arbitrarily for no reason? Aren't teachers allowed to teach without children trying to or pretending to kill each other in the classroom, anymore?

What I don't understand is how you, and apparently these moronic educators, are trying to make the case that a finger pointed at someone is as potentially dangerous as a loaded weapon. I think schools make rules like this because they are lazy and don't trust the teachers and staff to be smart enough to be able to tell the difference between a pop tart or a finger and a real threat. It's the worst kind of knee jerk reactions.
 
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I dunno, whats so inappropiate and PC about shooting up a school?

I can't find a citation anywhere, so can you provide a link that lists all of the schools that have been shot up by 10 year old boys using their fingers?
 
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What I don't understand is how you, and apparently these moronic educators, are trying to make the case that a finger pointed at someone is as potentially dangerous as a loaded weapon. I think schools make rules like this because they are lazy and don't trust the teachers and staff to be smart enough to be able to tell the difference between a pop tart or a finger and a real threat. It's the worst kind of knee jerk reactions.

It's a behaviour problem. The boy, Nathan was part of a larger group of boys that were playing cops and robbers in the classrooms, in the halls, all over the school, ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. Over the course of a month, the school sent out many letters to all the parents warning them of the problem and that there would be consequences if the behaviour continued. Nathan was the first boy to get caught and he admits he was warned. So what exactly is your problem? Do the teachers have a right to control the classroom in their care? Are they there to teach or babysit? Do you want them to be responsible for your kids? Then stop undermining and attacking them or your kids won't have any teachers or schools at all. Hard labor and low wages will be the future for your kids. Do you understand now or are your knees still jerking?
 
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I can't find a citation anywhere, so can you provide a link that lists all of the schools that have been shot up by 10 year old boys using their fingers?
No, but I could probably find quite a few that were shot for pointing their middle finger.
 
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It's a behaviour problem. The boy, Nathan was part of a larger group of boys that were playing cops and robbers in the classrooms, in the halls, all over the school, ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. Over the course of a month, the school sent out letters to all the parents warning them of the problem and that there would consequences if the behaviour continued. Nathan was the first boy to get caught and he admits he was warned. So what exactly is your problem? Do the teachers have a right to control the classroom in their care? Are they there to teach or babysit? Do you want them to be responsible for your kids? Then stop undermining and attacking them or your kids won't have any teachers or schools at all. Hard labor and low wages will be the future for your kids. Do you understand now or is your knee still jerking?

IMO, based on your post then the child should have been suspended for , "ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. " after being warned.

The pointing of the finger as a gun should have nothing to do with the suspension. I could blame it on the typical hyped reporting.
 
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IMO, based on your post then the child should have been suspended for , "ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. " after being warned.

The pointing of the finger as a gun should have nothing to do with the suspension. I could blame it on the typical hyped reporting.
The school didn't write the headlines. The father of the boy posted a video on youtube stating that was the reason. The letters sent out by the school said the boys were playing cops and robbers in the classroom. The article misled you, blame them. Now days you have to read more than one source to get the whole story because objective journalism is fast becoming a thing of the past.
 
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Of course they should, we need the next generation of nosey little punks.

So you support parents telling their kids NOT to follow school instructions on the safety policy. So what do you do when they get suspended for not doing so? Worse yet, what happens when they macho up like you trained them to do, ignore the school rules and something bad happens as a result of their ignoring school policy?
 
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No we are taking the position that the school should use their heads and their brains (it is school after all) to say is this a threat or kids play. No tolerance means no thinking which when it comes to school is a the ultimate irony.

the school that fears thinking all in all not cool

that is exactly what the school did. Obviously you do not agree with it, but that is what they did just the same. So if you disagree with a school policy you will instruct your kids to ignore it and even violate it. Wonderful. And some wonder why kids are unmanageable in school. :doh:shock::roll:
 
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