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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So it is impossible for any child to take the motion of a hand being imitated as a gun fired at them as a threat? And you know this how exactly as it puts you in the mind of every kid in America on the receiving end of such a thing.
    That wasnt the question...it was phrased the opposite...that that was the ONLY way it could be perceived.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You wanna criminalize angry looks now too? Maybe we can take "staring daggers" at someone and translate it to an actual knife attack. It's the only logical step, right?
    I know....how many of us use the stabbing motion and screeching from Psycho to indicate a crazy person....it's not remotely a threat, it's a universal identifier (in America).
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I know....how many of us use the stabbing motion and screeching from Psycho to indicate a crazy person....it's not remotely a threat, it's a universal identifier (in America).
    I also remember the days when the gun (and trigger noise), along with a wink, was a "gotcha, sport" move.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course that is true. We do NOT expect children to personally judge and prosecute every supposed act against them. That would be absurd in the extreme.

    I would agree about two kids playing cops and robbers in a pretend game situation. And I would think that sort of thing needs to be looked at and possible changed.
    1: The only way its going to be looked at is if it is "violated" and punishment happens. Otherwise it would get ignored.

    2: You have already indicated that until it is changed people should be punished for violating it. Despite you even agreeing that in the given scenario it should be looked at and "possibly" changed. That is where we difer. No kid...or anyone for that matter...should be punished for violating idiotic rules/laws.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It protected both the individual student and me as the teacher and the school itself. But far far far more importantly, it protected the learning environment in the classroom for thirty other students who did not have their learning upset on a daily basis by some person who thought their ability to disrupt and disturb were more important than thirty other people. I owed at least that to every kid handed to me to educate.
    There are a million ways that a kid can disrupt the learning environment and you cannot...have not....made zero tolerance policies against them all.

    It is YOUR JOB as a teacher to control your class AND ascertain on an individual basis how to correct a discipline problem. Not have some blanket policy that you can just toss out there and affect a kid *unnecessarily and inappropriately* just because it's easier and covers the school's liability.

    And when you cannot successfully discipline the kid, then you go to the administration and the parents....It's not your fault and it's not your job if a kid is a true problem or threat. But it *should be your job/administration's job* to assess every kid individually.....instead of just punting to some blanket policy to get out of it and cover your asses.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Got it - you are unable to document what you claimed in making an allegation against me about not supporting rights.

    Even if I am as cautious as you claim, you would have thought in 42,000 posts I screwed up somewhere and revealed by secret authoritarian beliefs and my desire to abolish all rights in the land.
    I stated why I don't want to get into it here. I can't help if you believe what you just wrote here.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I also remember the days when the gun (and trigger noise), along with a wink, was a "gotcha, sport" move.
    I know...in how many business meetings and boardrooms is that one seen?
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I did. I also played superman with lasers coming out of my eyes. Batman and Robin..including the Joker and all utilities/weapons that they all use. And many other like minded games.
    What, no Ninja Turtles? We played softball, tether ball, tricky bars, four square, jump rope, hopscotch, tag, none of which involved bringing any toys from home.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We didn't play cowboys and indians or cops and robbers, but our play resembled what was popular on television for our age. Play fighting was a regular feature of our recesses.
    I think playing cops and robbers/ play fighting at recess on the play ground is fine, but a group of boys took the game into the classrooms and was escalating throughout the school. I picture a Lord of the Flies scenario starting to take over the school.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What, no Ninja Turtles? We played softball, tether ball, tricky bars, four square, jump rope, hopscotch, tag, none of which involved bringing any toys from home.
    Nope, no ninja turtles. Also I didn't have to bring any toys from home either. I used my fingers, hands, feet, and my imagination. Swings work great for pretending to fly like superman and jungle gyms worked great for both pirating and as a batman cave.
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