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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I suggest this involvement makes you less than an objective observer.
    Why is that?

    If I were a medical doctor for 33 years and gave you my professional opinion about that field would my experience also disqualify me or make my views tarnished compared to somebody who did not know what they were talking about as they have no experience?

    I had played major league baseball for 20 years and then managed for 13 about that field would my experience also disqualify me compared to somebody who did not know what they were talking about as they have no experience?


    If had had been a chef in a restaurant for 33 years and then gave you my professional opinion about that field would my experience also disqualify me compared to somebody who did not know what they were talking about as they have no experience?
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Well anyone who wants to treat kids like idiots shouldnt be anywhere near them. When I tell my child to follow a rule I carefully explain to him why its important and sensible to do so.
    Where are you getting this ridiculous hyperbole that asking children to obey rules in a school setting is treating them like idiots?
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    It's also called the White House!

    It is easy to see, reading this thread, that many here want there kids to just be another brick in the wall. To teach blind obedience to bureaucratic rules does more overall harm that using common sense and standing on principle.
    With that attitude, its easy to see who the knee jerks are and whose kids are most likely going to end up in the prison system and a burden on society.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    With that attitude, its easy to see who the knee jerks are and whose kids are most likely going to end up in the prison system and a burden on society.
    You must be talking about your own children or someone else's. Mine are grown and doing fine. No inmates; no serial killers.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    You must be talking about your own children or someone else's. Mine are grown and doing fine. No inmates; no serial killers....
    .....yet.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    If it was your kid and you felt like that I would hope you would have been there when the first newsletter was sent home.

    See this parent seemingly didn't give a **** about the policy until his little angel violated it.
    Do you have any idea how ingrained that gesture is for people? It's not just about guns, it's also about 'bingo!' It's also about 'on the money!' it means a million different things and it's as automatic as nodding or pointing or shrugging for some people.

    Zero tolerance is mindless bs and serves only to reduce thinking and liability for organizations and institutions.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Guns in schools are no laughing matter, I suspect we can all agree on that? While a 3 day suspension is ridiculous, a consequence of some sort is fair. I suspect the true spirit of the idea was to remove even "joking" about guns from schools. I have no problem with that idea whatsoever.
    And some of us liberals see it as completely irrational to teach kids to fear guns and that there is something 'morally' wrong with guns and owning them.

    Guns are a part of our history and many of us enjoy them and see them as part of our future. Guns are not inherently wrong.

    And it's irrational to fear guns differently than we fear cars, since cars wrack up higher death and injury stats and kids are exposed to them on a daily basis. (And yeah....people dont want to hear us comparing guns to cars...well it's completely relevant comparison, all the more evidence of the fact that the fear is based on perception (cars good, cars necessary/guns bad, guns unnecessary) not reality.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where are you getting this ridiculous hyperbole that asking children to obey rules in a school setting is treating them like idiots?
    Suspending a child over an imaginary gun is certainly treating them like an idiot. Im sure we can agree on that, right?

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    I think suspending a kid over an imaginary gun is dumb and that common sense isn’t that common anymore. If the school districts don’t like this zero-tolerance, are they working to change the law? Are the parents? I like Kal’Stang’s point about “little rebellions.”

    But I also think that expecting—not asking—students to obey rules in a school setting isn’t an option; it’s how it is and should be. They’re not going to have options on how they drive either, so welcome to the real world, where you follow the rules or face the consequences. If you don’t like the rules, work to change them. It’s just depressing when the so-called “grownups” in charge aren’t using adult common sense.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Suspending a child over an imaginary gun is certainly treating them like an idiot. Im sure we can agree on that, right?
    What you call an imaginary gun is a threat of possible violence according to others. Can you agree on that?
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