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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended [W:148]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    One can suspect all they want, but the bottom line is it is plain stupid to expel a student for pointing a finger.
    If you had read the article you would know the student wasn't expelled for pointing a finger. He was suspended after multiple warnings about playing a game called cops and robbers in the classroom and disrupting the class.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I quit reading at the 1000 fights you were in Bruce.
    I don't care to go further down this path with you, particularly with 2 mod warnings already about too deeply personalizing this.

    Back on topic directly, if what the 10 year old did was bullying or to intimidate another child, that warranted punishment. If he had been doing so before, told to stop and notices of the problem to the parent(s) and it continued, that would warrant a suspension. It wouldn't be a "gun" rules violation, but a violation of rules against bullying and harassing other students.

    It absolutely is not correctly addressed by having the two boys fight-it out in the school yard, which appears what you think the school should do and is the answer to bullying.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    OMG, boys being boys. Well hell, lets make them wear dresses to school.
    OMG, doesn't anybody read anymore????

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I don't care to go further down this path with you, particularly with 2 mod warnings already about too deeply personalizing this.

    Back on topic directly, if what the 10 year old did was bullying or to intimidate another child, that warranted punishment. If he had been doing so before, told to stop and notices of the problem to the parent(s) and it continued, that would warrant a suspension. It wouldn't be a "gun" rules violation, but a violation of rules against bullying and harassing other students.

    It absolutely is not correctly addressed by having the two boys fight-it out in the school yard, which appears what you think the school should do and is the answer to bullying.
    Now, you are putting words in my mouth. As usual. I never said the "school should" do anything. But "I" was brought up to not back down when it was obvious someone was going to make contact. I passed that on. You have issue with that.
    Good for you. We raise no sissies in our home.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's a behaviour problem. The boy, Nathan was part of a larger group of boys that were playing cops and robbers in the classrooms, in the halls, all over the school, ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. Over the course of a month, the school sent out many letters to all the parents warning them of the problem and that there would be consequences if the behaviour continued. Nathan was the first boy to get caught and he admits he was warned. So what exactly is your problem? Do the teachers have a right to control the classroom in their care? Are they there to teach or babysit? Do you want them to be responsible for your kids? Then stop undermining and attacking them or your kids won't have any teachers or schools at all. Hard labor and low wages will be the future for your kids. Do you understand now or are your knees still jerking?
    I haven't seen that part about playing cops and robbers after repeatedly told to stop. The OP link I posted stated he was suspended for 3 days as a zero-tolerance on "guns" for pointing a finger like a gun at another kid's head.

    Now you are claiming that isn't what happened at all, but rather was suspended for being disorderly and refusing to stop. Is the original report totally factually wrong? Is the school now changing it's story?

    Those are two ENTIRELY different reasons why he was suspended. Which one is it?

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Now, you are putting words in my mouth. As usual. I never said the "school should" do anything. But "I" was brought up to not back down when it was obvious someone was going to make contact. I passed that on. You have issue with that.
    Good for you. We raise no sissies in our home.
    You had the last word on this. I'm leaving it alone.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I haven't seen that part about playing cops and robbers after repeatedly told to stop. The OP link I posted stated he was suspended for 3 days as a zero-tolerance on "guns" for pointing a finger like a gun at another kid's head.

    Now you are claiming that isn't what happened at all, but rather was suspended for being disorderly and refusing to stop. Is the original report totally factually wrong? Is the school now changing it's story?

    Those are two ENTIRELY different reasons why he was suspended. Which one is it?
    There was a link at the bottom of your ABC article that said it came from the Colombus dispatch. Press that link button and you get the full article. The ABC article you posted appears to be an RSS feed.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Strawman? In what way exactly? I clearly stated the time to dispute a policy is when it is proposed before the school board or school itself. Once it is the official policy, then a responsible parent can pursue several avenues including lobbying for a change, removing the child from school to a different school where the policies are different, or even home schooling. I was very clear that the responsible parent DOES NOT use their child as some sort of insurgent being taught to break the rules as that only undermines the school and the population of the school.

    Now how is that a strawman?
    because it has nothing to do with my post. schools are suppose to use logic and thinking skills that is what school is about. no tolerance policies are the exact opposite of that. it is the opposite of having to think and use your brain.

    The policy is stupid which is why states legislature are trying to pass laws to prevent this very thing from happening. If a teacher or principle can't tell the difference between a threat and general kid play then they need to quit their job.

    no tolerance goes against the very reason that people go to school. to learn to think and to analyze a situation and make a logical decision.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Now, you are putting words in my mouth. As usual. I never said the "school should" do anything. But "I" was brought up to not back down when it was obvious someone was going to make contact. I passed that on. You have issue with that.
    Good for you. We raise no sissies in our home.
    So if a teacher told you take your seat and be quiet, what are you going to do, beat her/him up? And you wonder why there is 'zero tolerance" policies? Stop wondering, it's people like you that are the reason.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    There was a link at the bottom of your ABC article that said it came from the Colombus dispatch. Press that link button and you get the full article. The ABC article you posted appears to be an RSS feed.
    I can't find that link. This is the only thing I found a link to with that newspaper:

    A Columbus principal suspended a student for three days last week after the child pointed a "lookalike firearm” at another student in class and pretended to shoot.

    The boy’s age? 10. The “level 2 lookalike firearm” cited in his suspension letter? His finger.

    “I was just playing around,” said Nathan Entingh, a fifth-grader at Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in a far northern section of the district. “People play around like this a lot at my school.”

    Other kids have been caught playing pretend gun games on the playground at Devonshire and weren’t suspended, Nathan said.

    Devonshire Principal Patricia Price has warned students about pretend gun play numerous times this year, and everyone should know the rules by now, district spokesman Jeff Warner said. Nathan put his finger to the side of the other student’s head and pretended to shoot “kind of execution style,” Warner said

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