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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, but I could probably find quite a few that were shot for pointing their middle finger.
    But that's not the issue here, nor what you've been saying.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's a behaviour problem. The boy, Nathan was part of a larger group of boys that were playing cops and robbers in the classrooms, in the halls, all over the school, ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. Over the course of a month, the school sent out many letters to all the parents warning them of the problem and that there would be consequences if the behaviour continued. Nathan was the first boy to get caught and he admits he was warned. So what exactly is your problem? Do the teachers have a right to control the classroom in their care? Are they there to teach or babysit? Do you want them to be responsible for your kids? Then stop undermining and attacking them or your kids won't have any teachers or schools at all. Hard labor and low wages will be the future for your kids. Do you understand now or are your knees still jerking?
    I'm not the one with the knee jerk reaction. That would be all the defenders of this stupid and pointless policy.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's a behaviour problem. The boy, Nathan was part of a larger group of boys that were playing cops and robbers in the classrooms, in the halls, all over the school, ignoring teachers, upsetting other students, disrupting class and creating an atmosphere of unruliness and chaos. Over the course of a month, the school sent out many letters to all the parents warning them of the problem and that there would be consequences if the behaviour continued. Nathan was the first boy to get caught and he admits he was warned. So what exactly is your problem? Do the teachers have a right to control the classroom in their care? Are they there to teach or babysit? Do you want them to be responsible for your kids? Then stop undermining and attacking them or your kids won't have any teachers or schools at all. Hard labor and low wages will be the future for your kids. Do you understand now or are your knees still jerking?
    OMG, boys being boys. Well hell, lets make them wear dresses to school.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Most bullies are cowards, who only pick on victims that they do not expect to fight back.

    If a bully picks on someone smaller and weaker than himself, but his victim does fight back, the bully is going to get hurt. Perhaps he won't be hurt as badly as his victim, but he will be hurt. And next time, he'll choose a different victim, and hope that that victim doesn't fight back. The one who fought back, he'll likely leave alone.
    Most bullies are not cowards and generally are tougher than other kids. Television has presented the fiction you tell for decades, and how the smaller kid wins because he's braver. From Opy on Andy Griffith to the Karate Kid, this is a theme told a thousand times. Good always triumphs and fights are won by courage against cowardly bullies. There is not reality in those fictions. TV and movies are not reality. Who wins a fight is the better fighter. It's that simple.

    Telling your kid to fight someone much larger than him - as young as 10? - and that you would be embarrassed of him if not is horrible parenting advise in my opinion.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If a rule or law is wrong then I have no problem with my kids not obeying such. You don't get rid of bad laws/rules by sitting down and obeying them. Just ask Rosa Parks.
    Good example. ALL civil and human rights have been earned by people who broke the rules - often at great personal risk.

    Which is MORE important children learn? To be totally submissive to "authority" and the rules? To the stand their ground against what is wrong even if that means defying the rules?

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Over the top hyperbole and gross exaggeration hardly serves any point you are trying to make. If you enroll your kids in a school and you have an issue with them following the rules of that school- find another school to your liking or better yet - you become the school and home school them. Make sure you advise them to NOT obey their teacher there also and to question that teachers authority and disobey if necessary. That would be poetic justice. DO NOT undermine the ability of the school to take care of its student population by telling your kids NOT to follow rules and disobey them.

    And I have no idea what any of that has to do with fascism.
    Fascism is about obeying an order blindly, without thought. If my child can think for himself and he clearly sees a rule that is stupid or nonsensical he is free to disobey that rule and I will defend him. Blindly obeying authority is a dangerous precedent to teach to a child- there must be a reason and a good reason why a child should obey a rule and its not simply because someone higher up than him tells him so.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Most bullies are not cowards and generally are tougher than other kids. Television has presented the fiction you tell for decades, and how the smaller kid wins because he's braver. From Opy on Andy Griffith to the Karate Kid, this is a theme told a thousand times. Good always triumphs and fights are won by courage against cowardly bullies. There is not reality in those fictions. TV and movies are not reality. Who wins a fight is the better fighter. It's that simple.

    Telling your kid to fight someone much larger than him - as young as 10? - and that you would be embarrassed of him if not is horrible parenting advise in my opinion.
    I fully disagree, most people that were considered bullies in our schools. Were in actuality pretty much sissies once they were tagged and tagged hard.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Are we really talking about MY kid? Mine knew to NEVER back down, back away, grovel, cry or beg. Mine, like me, were told as soon as it looked like you were going be pushed, touched, punched, slapped to go for it. Knock the crap out of them. I got your back. But dont let me find out that you were the bully. My parents and then me raised no sissies.
    They were also told once it was on, it was on till the end. And everything was fair. Everything. Anyway you can cause them pain do it.
    Let me guess, you told yours to run and find a teacher. Who wouldnt care if your kid was laying there in a pool of blood.
    That is horrific parenting advise in my opinion. Yes, I would want my child to tell a teacher and to tell me. I would want her to avoid the fight. In addition, generally if there is a fight the school will treat both as equally responsible and suspend or expel them both, Education and grades were the highest priority of her education and being expelled for fighting would severely damage her academic record. That doesn't seem to have been your priority by your messages.

    Where I grew up the men forced the boys to fight and gambled on the outcome. The loser often was brutally abused and assaulted in sadistic ways. I was likely in over 1000 such fights by age 15, when I successful fled using great violence to do so. What you are posting about courage and being in the right wins a fight is total nonsense.

    Your message is radical, very. That if you kid though someone might be going to shove them, you want your kid to rip out that other kids eyes permanently blinding the other kid, stomp on the other kids face and throat, beat that other kid with a metal chair and any and all other violence and injury. Simply put, those words are you telling your kid to be a terribly violent bully himself. But, then, I suspect they are just words and nothing else. Hopefully if not your kid was smarter than to listen to you.

    I would never encourage my child to get in a fight my child couldn't win and certainly would not disown or be embarrassed of my child for not doing so. That is not only terrible advise, it is very stupid and in my opinion evil parental demands on a child. While I don't know you or your kid, it is likely my kid could "beat the crap" out of your kid or you - and she's female. But I would want her to avoid a fight at school in everyway possible and for her to know that she does not have to prove her courage, toughness or skill to anyone. If a fight thrust upon her I would want her to get out of it as quickly as possible and go directly to school staff over it.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Fascism is about obeying an order blindly, without thought. If my child can think for himself and he clearly sees a rule that is stupid or nonsensical he is free to disobey that rule and I will defend him. Blindly obeying authority is a dangerous precedent to teach to a child- there must be a reason and a good reason why a child should obey a rule and its not simply because someone higher up than him tells him so.
    No it is not. People in a free and open society obey rules every minute of every day and it has nothing to do with fascism.

    We cannot on one hand scream and rant about the schools going to hell over the last decade or two and then on the other decide we are going to have parents teach children to disobey the school rules and be able to get away with it because Daddy back home will support them and their decision. That sort of thing only leads to the weakening of the school environment and completely undermines the ability to run the school and educate large numbers of children.

    Each child and each parent is NOT the judge of the rules at a school once they are passed and implemented and adopted by that community. That is a recipe for chaos where every kid there is suddenly in the position of a little god or judge. You simply cannot run a school that way.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is horrific parenting advise in my opinion. Yes, I would want my child to tell a teacher and to tell me. I would want her to avoid the fight. In addition, generally if there is a fight the school will treat both as equally responsible and suspend or expel them both, Education and grades were the highest priority of her education and being expelled for fighting would severely damage her academic record. That doesn't seem to have been your priority by your messages.

    Where I grew up the men forced the boys to fight and gambled on the outcome. The loser often was brutally abused and assaulted in sadistic ways. I was likely in over 1000 such fights by age 15, when I successful fled using great violence to do so. What you are posting about courage and being in the right wins a fight is total nonsense.

    Your message is radical, very. That if you kid though someone might be going to shove them, you want your kid to rip out that other kids eyes permanently blinding the other kid, stomp on the other kids face and throat, beat that other kid with a metal chair and any and all other violence and injury. Simply put, those words are you telling your kid to be a terribly violent bully himself. But, then, I suspect they are just words and nothing else. Hopefully if not your kid was smarter than to listen to you.

    I would never encourage my child to get in a fight my child couldn't win and certainly would not disown or be embarrassed of my child for not doing so. That is not only terrible advise, it is very stupid and in my opinion evil parental demands on a child. While I don't know you or your kid, it is likely mine kid could "beat the crap" out of your kid or you - and she's female. But I would want her to avoid a fight at school in everyway possible and for her to know that she does not have to prove her courage, toughness or skill to anyone. If a fight thrust upon her I would want her to get out of it as quickly as possible and go directly to school staff over it.
    I quit reading at the 1000 fights you were in Bruce.

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