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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, god forbid we tell kids to stand up to a bully. But I don't think that was the case here.
    The little kid punching the big bully in the nose and bully runs away crying is an Andy Griffith Mayberry script, not reality.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

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    The little kid punching the big bully in the nose and bully runs away crying is an Andy Griffith Mayberry script, not reality.
    One punch? No man, no way. Punch till your arms fall off then start kicking.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    I think sometimes we can get so emotionaly invested in our particular political "side" that people can't possibly dare to use a little common sense and understanding in a situation for fear of giving a little inch...

    Look, if the kid was "pointing his finger like a gun" accompanied by other evidence of threatening, bullying, taunting a particular kid then I can understand the suspension...not becuase of mimicing a "gun" but because bullying/threatening another student is absolutely a legitimate reason for suspension. Anyone suggesting that said movement CAN'T be used as a threatening gesture is being amazingly dishonest. For example, lets look at movies. Anyone remember this in Gran Tornio?



    What was it's purpose? It was Eastwoods character attempting to intimidate and threaten the teens. Or more specifically, when he does it to the passing car of those giving his neighbor a hard time (who he later goes to their house, specifically with the point of making them think he had a gun).

    On the flip side....

    If it's simply because he was "mimicing a gun", that's a bit ridiculous. There's plenty of ways to do the finger gun motion without it being reasonable to take it as threatening or dangerous in any degree. And abscent any significant supporting evidence into the issue, suspending someone simply for making that motion...even if it's towards another kid...is a bit over the top. Going to movies as a reference again, it'd be ridiculous to suggest someone using the finger guns like Shooter McGavin is somehow threatening or indicating any level of danger or discomfort for a student:



    The problem is...and this is largely been caused by both sides over the year...schools have entered into such a "zero tolerance" ground that often nuance and context are hardly able or even desired to be used.

    If we're arguably SINGULARLY about the finger gun, we're being a bit ridiculous here unless there's some evidence or reason to suggest that the suspension was because of that alone and specifically becuase it "resembles a gun".

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    The only finger gesture I got in trouble for involved the middle digit.
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended [W:148]

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    Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended - ABC News


    A central Ohio principal says she suspended a 10-year-old boy from school for three days for pretending his finger was a gun and pointing it at another student's head.The boy's father says it's the adults who are acting childish for suspending the boy from Devonshire Alternative Elementary School in Columbus last week.

    I'm with the dad on this one.
    Seems Devonshire is a elementry for "at risk" children. The story seems inocuos, but there is no way of knowing his temperment or intent in doing this. My girlfriend works with lld kids and it drains the life out of her.

    Devonshire Alternative Elementary School - About Us

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    "Instruct children: the teacher is your enemy?" Geez, no wonder the US is slipping behind in education. Did it ever occur to you the children might have been the problem and not the teachers? Children can be little monsters and very manipulative....especially if they're ADHD. Ever see the "The Bad Seed?" The Omen? By the sound of it, that poor school had more than their share of little monsters. They'd been trying to deal with the problem for over a month.
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    But that's not the issue. Children can be difficult, yes. Yet that isn't want the suspensions and expulsions were for. They were for an adult social agenda and a harmful one.

    Yes, my message was overstated to make a point. The point is that school officials will destroy a child's academic history not for grades, lack of attendance or legitimate misconduct, but for intolerant and unrealistic even to believe all child could comply with some adults using the school for their social agenda.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended [W:148]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Seems Devonshire is a elementry for "at risk" children. The story seems inocuos, but there is no way of knowing his temperment or intent in doing this. My girlfriend works with lld kids and it drains the life out of her.

    Devonshire Alternative Elementary School - About Us
    In 2013, Devonshire Alternative Elementary School ranked worse than 78.4% of elementary schools in Ohio. It also ranked 19th among 74 ranked elementary schools in the Columbus City School District.

    The second sentence added to the first one says the entire school district is a disaster. If Devonshire school is worse than 78% of schools in the state, BUT is better than over 65% of the other schools in the district?

    Time to get rid of the school officials who believe school is their personal political and social-left goals and instead have school officials who are educators.

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
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    But that's not the issue. Children can be difficult, yes. Yet that isn't want the suspensions and expulsions were for. They were for an adult social agenda and a harmful one.
    Of course teaching children is a social agenda. Can you imagine a society where the children can't read, write or count? How long do you think the US would last as an international leader with a dumbed down illiterate population? Because that's exactly what it looks like you're advocating with your anti social agenda nonsense.

    Yes, my message was overstated to make a point. The point is that school officials will destroy a child's academic history not for grades, lack of attendance or legitimate misconduct, but for intolerant and unrealistic even to believe all child could comply with some adults using the school for their social agenda.
    What ridiculous propagnda are you basing your opinion on?

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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think sometimes we can get so emotionaly invested in our particular political "side" that people can't possibly dare to use a little common sense and understanding in a situation for fear of giving a little inch...

    Look, if the kid was "pointing his finger like a gun" accompanied by other evidence of threatening, bullying, taunting a particular kid then I can understand the suspension...not becuase of mimicing a "gun" but because bullying/threatening another student is absolutely a legitimate reason for suspension. Anyone suggesting that said movement CAN'T be used as a threatening gesture is being amazingly dishonest. For example, lets look at movies. Anyone remember this in Gran Tornio?



    What was it's purpose? It was Eastwoods character attempting to intimidate and threaten the teens. Or more specifically, when he does it to the passing car of those giving his neighbor a hard time (who he later goes to their house, specifically with the point of making them think he had a gun).

    On the flip side....

    If it's simply because he was "mimicing a gun", that's a bit ridiculous. There's plenty of ways to do the finger gun motion without it being reasonable to take it as threatening or dangerous in any degree. And abscent any significant supporting evidence into the issue, suspending someone simply for making that motion...even if it's towards another kid...is a bit over the top. Going to movies as a reference again, it'd be ridiculous to suggest someone using the finger guns like Shooter McGavin is somehow threatening or indicating any level of danger or discomfort for a student:



    The problem is...and this is largely been caused by both sides over the year...schools have entered into such a "zero tolerance" ground that often nuance and context are hardly able or even desired to be used.

    If we're arguably SINGULARLY about the finger gun, we're being a bit ridiculous here unless there's some evidence or reason to suggest that the suspension was because of that alone and specifically becuase it "resembles a gun".
    Maybe it was uncomfortable for the teacher and disruptive to her class. Did you ever think of that?

    It wasn't just the one boy doing it, it was a group of boys playing a cop and robber game that didn't belong in the classroom. If it was just one incident I'm sure the school could have handled it just fine, but the problem extended over the course of a month throughout the school and with several letters going out to parents, notifying them of the problem and the repercussions for their kids. Nathan was the first to get caught and suffer the consequences. It's not like he wasn't warned and he admits that himself. So instead of blaming the teacher for trying to do her job, why not let the little lad start to grow up and take responsibilty for his actions...or isn't that allowed in today's society anymore?
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    Re: Ohio Student Points Finger Like Gun, Is Suspended

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Of course teaching children is a social agenda. Can you imagine a society where the children can't read, write or count? How long do you think the US would last as an international leader with a dumbed down illiterate population? Because that's exactly what it looks like you're advocating with your anti social agenda nonsense.

    What ridiculous propagnda are you basing your opinion on?
    You threw out integrity pretty quickly on this one, since you exactly know that "social agenda" does not mean learning English and math.

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