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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I really believe that if the West leaves Putin alone, he'll not do much else. Please remember, he's the one responding, not the aggressor as Hitler was in 38'. I don't think these Hitler/WW2 comparisons are helpful.
    Actually, I see many parallels between the Nazi perception of being entangled, encircled and kept down by the WW1 allies on top of the painful loss of world power status (yeah, most Nazis believed too they were just "defending" Germany against an aggression by the West), and according perceptions within the Russian elite today.

    Of course that doesn't mean the situation is exactly the same. And Putin is certainly not Hitler.

    However, this comparison seems much more plausible to me in this case than in case of the dozens of times someone has been compared to Hitler since Stalin's death.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by poliphil View Post
    Don't know who this guy is, but he apparently thinks this conflict is going to lead to ww3 since Russia is positioning itself to control Ukraine before US exerts its influence over it. You guys think it's possible?

    The Road to World War III Runs through Ukraine | Dave Hodges – The Common Sense Show
    I think this is the most serious escalation of tensions between the US and Russia/USSR since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Right now Russia has a naval destroyer likely armed with nukes off the coast of Florida. Florida is home of the US Central Command, US Southern Command and right on the border on the east coast port of the US Navy's Ohio-class submarines that carry most of US active inventory of strategic thermonuclear warheads.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Actually, I see many parallels between the Nazi perception of being entangled, encircled and kept down by the WW1 allies on top of the painful loss of world power status (yeah, most Nazis believed too they were just "defending" Germany against an aggression by the West), and according perceptions within the Russian elite today.

    Of course that doesn't mean the situation is exactly the same. And Putin is certainly not Hitler.

    However, this comparison seems much more plausible to me in this case than in case of the dozens of times someone has been compared to Hitler since Stalin's death.
    The US and possibly the EU (although Victoria Nuland said, "**** the EU), supported the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government and Russia moved to secure their assets, property and interests of Russian speaking Ukrainians, and we keep hearing "Hitler"!!!
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US and possibly the EU (although Victoria Nuland said, "**** the EU), supported the violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government and Russia moved to secure their assets, property and interests of Russian speaking Ukrainians, and we keep hearing "Hitler"!!!
    Why the outrage over the West's actions? Russia is doing the same and has been doing the same all the time. Russia is not better. Certainly not in a superior moral position, even if the West isn't either.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Why the outrage over the West's actions? Russia is doing the same and has been doing the same all the time. Russia is not better. Certainly not in a superior moral position, even if the West isn't either.
    Why the outrage over Russia's actions? I'm not saying Russia is better or worse. IN THIS SITUATION, Russia is right, and Germany is safe from becoming a Russian satellite. I'm trying to make you feel better about this. You should eat one of those wonderful bratwursts you have over there, wash it down with that good beer you have over their, and watch the horse races!
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why the outrage over Russia's actions? I'm not saying Russia is better or worse. IN THIS SITUATION, Russia is right
    You don't think Russia supported a side in internal Ukrainian politics? Are you truly that naive?

    Or is it somehow okay for them to do it, but bad for the US to do it?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Actually, I see many parallels between the Nazi perception of being entangled, encircled and kept down by the WW1 allies on top of the painful loss of world power status (yeah, most Nazis believed too they were just "defending" Germany against an aggression by the West), and according perceptions within the Russian elite today.

    Of course that doesn't mean the situation is exactly the same. And Putin is certainly not Hitler.

    However, this comparison seems much more plausible to me in this case than in case of the dozens of times someone has been compared to Hitler since Stalin's death.
    Dozens? More like dozens of millions.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You don't think Russia supported a side in internal Ukrainian politics? Are you truly that naive?

    Or is it somehow okay for them to do it, but bad for the US to do it?
    Of course Russia supported the legitimate government of the Ukraine, gave them bribe money and swayed their decision. The West (US) not liking that, instigated protests resulting in protester violence, the destruction of public property, the seizure of the Ukrainian military and a Declaration of Independence. And Russia called bull **** on another corrupt US foreign policy action. I can't believe how I have to labor to explain these things to you!
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Of course Russia supported the legitimate government of the Ukraine, gave them bribe money and swayed their decision.
    So bribing and swaying is only okay when...what? When it's not the US doing it? When the US does it, it's bad and now justifies an invasion?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So bribing and swaying is only okay when...what? When it's not the US doing it? When the US does it, it's bad and now justifies an invasion?
    I didn't say that. More lies. The US didn't stop with carrots on a stick. When Russia succeeded in the Ukrainian courting process, the US got pissed, spawned a coup, toppled the Ukrainian government and created a crisis on Russia's border, far from home again, and Russia has called bull****, and Russia is right on this. By the way. I'm not the only one on this board that feels that way. Take a break from your Monte infatuation and look at what others are saying.
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