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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So true, as war should be the end and last resort of literally failed diplomacy. The warmongers though see things differently.


    What part of our diplomacy would you say has not failed? A weakened USA, the goal of the Obama Administration, is the opening to those that covet more land and power.

    It's amusing that Kerry lectures the Putin regime on the idea that the aggressive exploits are a relic of the 19th Century. The reason for this is that the USA's military dominance, the thing that Obama industriously strives to end, kept the world in order.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What's shocking is that this was not written by the chief warmonger editorialist--charles krauthammer.


    When has Krauthammer endorsed war and why?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't see this escalating to WW3...as long as we don't let the war addicted hawks in Congress push the President to actually thinking we need to shoot Russians over this. The Ukrainians aren't shooting Russians, other Europeans aren't shooting Russians, so we shouldn't be thinking about shooting Russians. Ultimately I think this will back fire on Putin both in the Ukraine and at home.


    In what way?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Anything could happen, of course. But I'd be surprised to see any real war between the Ukraine and Russia. And I'd be flabbergasted to see a war that involves anyone else.

    But one reality that has made itself apparent is the establishment of what I might call the Putin doctrine. Namely that the former Soviet republics will be and must be Moscow-friendly. And that Russia will put up a fight with anyone who says otherwise. One might call them buffer states. It's not so different from the rationale for the iron curtain nations.

    Though I can see one difference. I doubt if Putin seriously fears an invasion from, say, Germany. It's obvious, in fact, that he need not fear that. But he could allude to something like that in order to avoid saying the real reason; he's keeping his ability to restore the Soviet Union (though it would probably have a different name. Such as the Eurasian Union) from being ruined.

    We might as well take it as if it were an official statement; Russia will fight rather than see former Soviet republics join the west.

    I don't see our leaders rising to that challenge. And they probably shouldn't. I disapprove of Putin's stance for a number of reasons. But looking at it from his point of view, I can understand why even if I disapprove.

    This crisis will likely be resolved pretty quickly, if 'unofficially'. Ukraine will be a dismembered and partly occupied state. Nominally independent, but not daring to get too close to the west. Just like Georgia.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    A weakened USA, the goal of the Obama Administration
    oh lol
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What part of our diplomacy would you say has not failed? A weakened USA, the goal of the Obama Administration, is the opening to those that covet more land and power.

    It's amusing that Kerry lectures the Putin regime on the idea that the aggressive exploits are a relic of the 19th Century. The reason for this is that the USA's military dominance, the thing that Obama industriously strives to end, kept the world in order.

    This whole gang of numb skulls is a blight on the world and history. The only thing greater than their hubris is their idiocy.
    We don't disagree?? Although, I don't know that a weakened USA is Obama's "goal".
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What's shocking is that the real moral of this story is completely missed. In 1994, the Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons on the word of the USA and Britain that we would defend it's territorial rights.
    Even if Ukraine had nukes, it wouldn't have used them in this crisis, so it's irrelevant.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When has Krauthammer endorsed war and why?
    When has krauthammer not endorsed war?

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What part of our diplomacy would you say has not failed? A weakened USA,
    the USA, i. e. the people, have always been weak, because they don't have any $$ to participate in their govt.

    Now, if you're talking about the US government, it is also weak because it's military is obviously inept (after more than 10 years, it has failed to accomplish any of its long-term objectives against a primitive fighting force in Afghanistan), and it's a plutocracy--to defeat the US govt., one simply has to threaten one of the rich private influential individuals and/or corporations that sponsor its members of Congress, and voila.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Even if Ukraine had nukes, it wouldn't have used them in this crisis, so it's irrelevant.
    Additionally, the Ukraine's "territorial rights" haven't been compromised. It's hilarious that people think the Ukrainians would have nuked Putins security forces.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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