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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    First, as the first act of his first term, I would have had him declare that within 10 years the USA would energy independent and that all forms of energy within our borders would be exploited to achieve this.

    Second, I would have had him convene a bi-partisan working group of both parties to determine the best and most bloodless method to extricate us from the two wars in process at the time.

    Third, I would have had him suspend any monies that were being wasted on the farce of Global Warming.

    Fourth, I would have had him appoint a working group of legislators from both parties to plan a method to remove power from washington and deposit it with the states.

    Fifth, I would have had him announce and execute a real reform to the tax code to simplify it and make it more friendly to those corporations driven off shore to other countries.

    Finally, I would have had him invite world leaders from around the world to meet in an effort to open borders to free trade encourage the exchange of ideas and guarantee the individual rights of all to express ideas in a free and open market place of idea on the internet.

    Sadly, he has done exactly the opposite of all of these things and we see the results.

    If he had done all of these things, the world would not be destabilized and we would not be in the situation we find ourselves thanks to his dithering and bumbling.
    1. I don't think its possible to be energy independent. We are about to be the largest producer of oil, which is still importing the vast bulk of crude we need for production. I haven't looked at this in years so it may have changed with fracking but...

    2. I think we're trying to do this...

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    None of these others have anything to do with foreign policy???

    3. You just want to ignore the problem, great for today, terrible for tomorrow.

    4. Supreme state power means backwards red states can de-implement all the social progress we've made in the last century, no thanks.

    5. Would be nice to nuke the tax code and have something very simple replace it. However the tax industry would be destroyed and they have lobbied hard to stop reform, really crappy situation.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    1. I don't think its possible to be energy independent. We are about to be the largest producer of oil, which is still importing the vast bulk of crude we need for production. I haven't looked at this in years so it may have changed with fracking but...

    2. I think we're trying to do this...

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    None of these others have anything to do with foreign policy???

    3. You just want to ignore the problem, great for today, terrible for tomorrow.

    4. Supreme state power means backwards red states can de-implement all the social progress we've made in the last century, no thanks.

    5. Would be nice to nuke the tax code and have something very simple replace it. However the tax industry would be destroyed and they have lobbied hard to stop reform, really crappy situation.


    The question was what would I have had him do and those are the things.

    The oil production from federal land is way down as is the issuance of permits to drill on Federal lands. In this as in all things related to fossil fuel, Obama has bowed to his handlers and is making a gesture that has no effect in the real world. Obama and his henchmen are trying to outlaw coal altogether. His entire approach to energy can be characterized as "all of the above and none of the below". This is to say, everything that won't work and nothing that will work. Pretty much like the rest of his policies. If we had done this, we would have avoided the expenditures for the Failed Stimuls, invigorated the economy, avoided the bankrupting of the country and avoided the current mess we are in done to his failures.

    Obama has exerted every effort to avoid being bi-partisan in any and every pursuit he undertakes. There are two groups that he sees as hostile on the planet: The Republicans are viewed as a real enemy and our traditional allies are viewed with contempt.

    We are spending 22+ billion dollars annually to fight global warming which is a farce. The warming is natural and the cause of CO2 is an unprovable and in any event a non-issue. We are cooler than we were 8000 years ago and cooler than the peak of any of the interglacials before this one. The world is about 18 degrees cooer than it was 50 million years ago and the whole debate is based on junk science, greed and political hysteria. The current warming that we enjoy is part of a tend that predates the stated cause by about 200 years. The globe has warmed by about 0.7 degrees in 2000 years. It has cooled by about 0.7 degrees over the last 8000 years. There is no crisis.

    Removing power from Washington means de-funding the Federal Government's extraneous and mischievous regulating departments. As long as there is a pool of money that big in DC, there will be a the kind of corruption that produces a doubling of spending in about 10 years. Has your household budget doubled in 10 years? Have the revenues of the average company doubled in 10 years? Not likely. Why is this inefficient and corrupt cess pool of vice and greed allowed to grow as it does? The Federal Court System can continue to thrive and the Loon Judges in the Federal Circuits can continue to have their decisions overturned. These, however, have not served to stop the greatest curtailment of personal liberty for our citizenry since the interment camps of WW2.

    I agree about that. The tax I pay should be calculated on the back of a 3x5 post card. The current system is arrived at by adding another loophole about every 22.5 hours since the tax system was simplified under Reagan.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Bush 43. Kennedy.


    What are the measurables on which you base this?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What are the measurables on which you base this?
    Few. Measurables are hard to pin on one person, even the executive.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So? Let's say you're right and he's done NOTHING. Does that mean his goal is to the weaken the US?
    Very much so.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Very much so.
    Oh...well I was previously told he didn't have any goals.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Old is an apologist for US foreign policy, no matter what it is, there really is little value in speaking to him.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What's shocking is that the real moral of this story is completely missed. In 1994, the Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons on the word of the USA and Britain that we would defend it's territorial rights.

    Now, abandoned by the feckless Obama, the Nuke-less Ukraine is low hanging fruit for the Russians to pluck.

    Is there a lesson in this? Yes there is. If you have nukes, you have territorial integrity. If you don't, you have a welcome mat on your border.

    What do you think this will guide Iran to do?

    When the Russians conducted the excursion into Georgia, the rest of the former Soviet Block Countries must have started calculating the exchange rate for their currency into Rubles.
    You can tell people that get their news from Rush, Fox or other right wing porn sites; they are the ones that can't articulate the issue in their own words. Somehow I seriously doubt "freckless" is in your daily vernacular.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by poliphil View Post
    Don't know who this guy is, but he apparently thinks this conflict is going to lead to ww3 since Russia is positioning itself to control Ukraine before US exerts its influence over it. You guys think it's possible?

    The Road to World War III Runs through Ukraine
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    A lot of things are possible, but that doesn't mean that they are going to happen.

    WWIII isn't going to start in the Ukraine.

    Don't take my word for this, just wait and see.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You can tell people that get their news from Rush, Fox or other right wing porn sites; they are the ones that can't articulate the issue in their own words. Somehow I seriously doubt "freckless" is in your daily vernacular.


    Three college degrees here and one is in Literature. The word is not "freckless". It's feckless.

    As it happens, I'm old and perhaps my vocabulary is a tad archaic for you.

    Be that as it may, the policy of Obama in foreign affairs is perfectly described by the word feckless. I don't know if the r you include is an enhancement or not. this may be a word I'm not young enough to know.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feckless

    <snip>
    feck·less adjective \ˈfek-ləs\
    : having or resulting from a weak character or nature

    Full Definition of FECKLESS

    1
    : weak, ineffective
    2
    : worthless, irresponsible
    — feck·less·ly adverb
    — feck·less·ness noun
    <snip>
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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