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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Syed_Mohsin View Post
    Since Russia invaded the Ukraine’s Crimea region over the weekend, so now new developments are coming in by the hour. The U.S. is now considering sanctions against Russia unless it pulls out of the Ukraine, and the rest of the West is growing more and more and more concerned about the increasing tensions in the region. Meanwhile, some are pondering whether the issue will become big enough to develop into World War III.
    Europe and the U.S. have already ceded Crimea. That is over. Now the question is whether they will allow Putin to continue on with his conquests. My guess is yes they will. If they were serious about stopping it where it is there would be an aircraft carrier in the Black Sea and a wing of bombers on their way to Ukraine. Putin isn't intimidated by talk. We shall see.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Recovering the economy.

    Protecting American interests abroad.

    The usual.
    Although the BLS invents robust numbers daily and even more, we are still in the quagmire known as the GW Bush (first tortutor) Great Depression. "Recovering the Economy" would be a gross exagerraton. As regards "Protecting American interests abroad" would translate as protecting USA CORPORATIONS oversess and that is Big Energy and Big Banking and I state categorically and definitely, "Screw them!" These are the same Corporate groups that reap the first profits of war. Need I say more?

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Just an observation on the weakness of the country at this time and the absence of any integrity as a result. A crisis does not build character. It reveals it. We are being revealed right now.

    As a character in a poem once said, "A promise made is a debt unpaid."

    The Ukraine gave up it's nukes based on the promise of Great Britain and the USA to guarantee its territorial integrity.

    If the Ukraine had those nukes today instead of a promise to be honored by a paper tiger, the Russians would not be in Crimea.

    The Russians have no way to calculate how Obama's promised "flexibility" will will reveal itself in the future, but they do have the ability to watch and understand what results it has produced in the recent past.

    Do you think the other allies of the USA are watching and wondering if the country that used to flex its muscles will now flex only its abilities?
    This is basically just saying you want Obama to be more aggressive, what would you have him do?

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Although the BLS invents robust numbers daily and even more, we are still in the quagmire known as the GW Bush (first tortutor) Great Depression. "Recovering the Economy" would be a gross exagerraton. As regards "Protecting American interests abroad" would translate as protecting USA CORPORATIONS oversess and that is Big Energy and Big Banking and I state categorically and definitely, "Screw them!" These are the same Corporate groups that reap the first profits of war. Need I say more?
    You need to prove the assumptions that apparently your entire worldview rests upon, yeah.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You need to prove the assumptions that apparently your entire worldview rests upon, yeah.
    The first step is a survey. How much property you own in Ukraine? Wars are run with machines and machines run on energy, ergo Big Enetgy makes first profits. Wars run on money borrowed to pay for Big Energy and Armaments provided by the Military/Industrial/Corporate complex and Big Banks profit on Big Borrowed money. I rest my case. You would be required to provide links to dispute common sense. Be my guest. Keep in mind that $2 Trillion of our debt is paying for the Iraq and Afghanistan misadventures (borrowed money).

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The first step is a survey. How much property you own in Ukraine? Wars are run with machines and machines run on energy, ergo Big Enetgy makes first profits. Wars run on money borrowed to pay for Big Energy and Armaments provided by the Military/Industrial/Corporate complex and Big Banks profit on Big Borrowed money. I rest my case. You would be required to provide links to dispute common sense. Be my guest. Keep in mind that $2 Trillion of our debt is paying for the Iraq and Afghanistan misadventures (borrowed money).
    What? First, even if you were right, you understand I make six figures working for the Department of Defense. So even if you were right (you're not), your argument that I don't benefit would be wrong. That 2 trillion dollars? Part of it is the position that I fill. So yeah, keep it up.

    But the larger issue is that you just assume that US corporations don't bring money into the US economy. Is the economy important to you?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Recovering the economy.

    Protecting American interests abroad.

    The usual.


    How you rate the effectiveness of his plans and efforts to date?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What? First, even if you were right, you understand I make six figures working for the Department of Defense. So even if you were right (you're not), your argument that I don't benefit would be wrong. That 2 trillion dollars? Part of it is the position that I fill. So yeah, keep it up.

    But the larger issue is that you just assume that US corporations don't bring money into the US economy. Is the economy important to you?
    I didn't say that, you did. Ergo, answer your own question. As an aside, the Labor economy is important to me, the paper shuffling economy can kiss my ass.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    This is basically just saying you want Obama to be more aggressive, what would you have him do?


    First, as the first act of his first term, I would have had him declare that within 10 years the USA would energy independent and that all forms of energy within our borders would be exploited to achieve this.

    Second, I would have had him convene a bi-partisan working group of both parties to determine the best and most bloodless method to extricate us from the two wars in process at the time.

    Third, I would have had him suspend any monies that were being wasted on the farce of Global Warming.

    Fourth, I would have had him appoint a working group of legislators from both parties to plan a method to remove power from washington and deposit it with the states.

    Fifth, I would have had him announce and execute a real reform to the tax code to simplify it and make it more friendly to those corporations driven off shore to other countries.

    Finally, I would have had him invite world leaders from around the world to meet in an effort to open borders to free trade encourage the exchange of ideas and guarantee the individual rights of all to express ideas in a free and open market place of idea on the internet.

    Sadly, he has done exactly the opposite of all of these things and we see the results.

    If he had done all of these things, the world would not be destabilized and we would not be in the situation we find ourselves thanks to his dithering and bumbling.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Recovering the economy.

    Protecting American interests abroad.

    The usual.
    What American interests are in Crimea, and why?

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