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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Perhaps you should refute my claim.
    Your claim was that he was succeeding in his goal, then you said he didn't have a goal, then he did, then he didn't. I don't know if I'm supposed to refute that he's succeeding our not in a goal he may or may not have...or not.

    That's what happens when you keep flip flopping.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Your claim was that he was succeeding in his goal, then you said he didn't have a goal, then he did, then he didn't. I don't know if I'm supposed to refute that he's succeeding our not in a goal he may or may not have...or not.

    That's what happens when you keep flip flopping.
    I read your post and agreed with you. He has no goal. Well, amend that. He has no goals regarding the country.

    He does have goals regarding the betterment of his political party and the prospects of winning the next election.

    Did I misunderstand you? Do you think he has goals? If yes, what are they and how are they represented in the outcomes of his actions?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I think you just like saying no ones opinions hold no merit. Otherwise you are full of it. A take over is a take over. It may unfold differently, there may end up being no shooting, but Ukraine will fall none the less.
    No. I just don't think your statement held any merit based upon the actual facts of both situations. Georgia didn't fall. Ukraine hasn't fallen. If Ukraine falls, it will be nothing like Georgia. Georgia was in the middle of a civil war with South Ossetia. Russia had a treaty in which they were allowed 3,000 peace keepers in South Ossetia. Georgia launched a major offensive against South Ossetia and killed Russia soldiers. Russia responded and drove the Georgia army back across their original lines and then later, after a negotiated cease fire, pulled their troops back into South Ossetia. Georgia did not fall, their army did however get their ass kicked when they attacked South Ossetia. Ukraine and Crimea are not in a civil war, Russia troops have not invaded Ukraine (proper).

    So your casual comparison, which was some attempt at being snarky and dismissive of my comment, was off the mark and without merit.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I don't. But you'll find several here that do. They'll be the ones making comparisons between Putin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin........!
    You mean like Hillary Clinton did?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What has Obama accomplished that will contribute to the betterment of the county's future and the betterment of the prospects of the upcoming generation?
    Nice try to change the subject and turn the focus around. This thread is about the Ukraine and how Obama is handling it, nothing else.

    He's doing just fine so far IMO.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I read your post and agreed with you. He has no goal. Well, amend that. He has no goals regarding the country.

    He does have goals regarding the betterment of his political party and the prospects of winning the next election.

    Did I misunderstand you? Do you think he has goals? If yes, what are they and how are they represented in the outcomes of his actions?
    You said his goal was to weaken the US, though. Are you saying that was wrong?
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    You mean like Hillary Clinton did?
    Hillary Clinton has stupid moments. That was definitely one of them.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Hillary Clinton has stupid moments. That was definitely one of them.
    I'm not so sure myself. Invading another country to assimilate them isn't politically correct in the 21st century, even though that country made be comprised of a majority of native speakers. It certainly makes me wonder about Putin's motives and what's next with him.

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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I'm not so sure myself. Invading another country to assimilate them isn't politically correct in the 21st century, even though that country made be comprised of a majority of native speakers. It certainly makes me wonder about Putin's motives and what's next with him.
    Putin isn't anywhere near the level of Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot. There only commonality here that is even reasonable is his land grab based upon the ethnicity of the population. His claim that he is protecting Russians is obviously bull****, it's an excuse to make sure he doesn't lose control of Crimea. Let's face it, he's already lost control of Ukraine.

    But he's not mass murdering, he's not deporting thousands based upon their ethnicity or religion, he's not blitzing across Europe (because he simply doesn't have that ability). The comparisons to Hitler are only slightly less ludicrous than comparing Obama or Bush to Hitler.
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    Re: World War 3 possible Ukraine-Russia?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I don't see this escalating to WW3...as long as we don't let the war addicted hawks in Congress push the President to actually thinking we need to shoot Russians over this. The Ukrainians aren't shooting Russians, other Europeans aren't shooting Russians, so we shouldn't be thinking about shooting Russians. Ultimately I think this will back fire on Putin both in the Ukraine and at home.
    I agree with this last statement. I get the impression that neither the Russian military or Russian people really have the stomach for fighting with Ukraine. If the Russian soldiers were really eager to fight Ukrainians, many of whom they formerly considered colleagues, then they wouldn't be locally negotiating with Ukrainian base commanders in Crimea to avoid violence. We're now a week into this and not a shot fired directed at people. That is very telling about the Russian military and their relationship with their Ukrainian counterparts. Putin miscalculated in assuming that mass defections would actually happen, and that Ukrainians would welcome Russian occupation.

    At home, Russians (at least those with international business interests) do not want sanctions and disruptions in their financial interests. Others, without those interests, have family and friends living in Ukraine and probably don't want them to be endangered by Putin's miscalculated aggression.

    It will be interesting to see how long Russians, both military and civilian, tolerate Putin's misadventure in Ukraine.

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