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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They voted unanimously, and BTW apparently there's been irregularities in the elections. Democratically elected in the most coarse sense of the term.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrain...election,_2012
    The Kiev gov't voted unanimously without the major voting block in Parliament being present. Very unanimous, well mostly unanimous, nearly unanimous, well at any rate lots of votes and less than a Parliamentary majority but similar to unanimous or mostly different from unanimous.

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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The Ukrainian President was democratically elected. The Constitution requires the approval of the Constitutional Court for the removal of the President from office. The Parliament illegally removed the President without the approval of the Constitutional Court, and did so under the influence of violent protestors. Thus making the current government in Kiev illegitimate and the result of a violent coup.
    The constitutionally elected President enacted laws that made public gatherings of more than two people illegal and punishable by jail time, making speech that is critical of the government illegal and punishable by jail time, refused to enact the four party agreement allowing for a popular vote for creating ties with the EU, and many other actions that lead to the demonstrations.

    Kinda like what happened in this country about 250 years ago... so yeah, I support them.

    The President was removed by a vote of the Parliament. A group of representatives that were elected by the same people that voted in the elections you referenced... and with the votes of those that were in the same political party as the president and had previously supported him. It wasn't a coup. To use a term we use here in the US, it was an Impeachment. Did they use their constitution to do this? Maybe not. Maybe you've heard this quoted before:

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    Oh, and BTW, this has been going on for many months. The US media didn't start covering it until the Berkut (the Ukrainian version of the Gestapo which has since been disbanded) started firing on the protestors and the protestors started fighting back.

    What part of any of this gives Russia the right to invade and occupy any part of Ukraine? The excuse they're using was the same one used by Germany to occupy the Sudetenland and Austria (even though Austria had a plebiscite / the counting of the vote us still in question), Serbia to attack, invade and start killing in Bosnia Herzegovina and Croatia and many, many other examples throughout history.

    Maybe we should just allow any freely elected government to turn on its people?

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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The constitutionally elected President enacted laws that made public gatherings of more than two people illegal and punishable by jail time, making speech that is critical of the government illegal and punishable by jail time, refused to enact the four party agreement allowing for a popular vote for creating ties with the EU, and many other actions that lead to the demonstrations.

    Kinda like what happened in this country about 250 years ago... so yeah, I support them.

    The President was removed by a vote of the Parliament. A group of representatives that were elected by the same people that voted in the elections you referenced... and with the votes of those that were in the same political party as the president and had previously supported him. It wasn't a coup. To use a term we use here in the US, it was an Impeachment. Did they use their constitution to do this? Maybe not. Maybe you've heard this quoted before:



    Oh, and BTW, this has been going on for many months. The US media didn't start covering it until the Berkut (the Ukrainian version of the Gestapo which has since been disbanded) started firing on the protestors and the protestors started fighting back.

    What part of any of this gives Russia the right to invade and occupy any part of Ukraine? The excuse they're using was the same one used by Germany to occupy the Sudetenland and Austria (even though Austria had a plebiscite / the counting of the vote us still in question), Serbia to attack, invade and start killing in Bosnia Herzegovina and Croatia and many, many other examples throughout history.

    Maybe we should just allow any freely elected government to turn on its people?
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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    It's wasnt a de coup, but it wasn't either a democratic road to power. Nor the leaders were moderate/democratic ones.
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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    It's wasnt a de coup, but it wasn't either a democratic road to power. Nor the leaders were moderate/democratic ones.
    To be honest i get the feeling like its two brothers who got into a fight about whose toy it was to begin with after the elder brother decided to change the rules of the game in the middle of it because he was loosing, so he called in his big friend who through the table over and stole the toy away from both of them. now they are both kind of pissed off.

    Kind of a round about way of saying "they are all acting like children" and sense they are world leaders, that means people die.
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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    The Ukrainian President was democratically elected. The Constitution requires the approval of the Constitutional Court for the removal of the President from office. The Parliament illegally removed the President without the approval of the Constitutional Court, and did so under the influence of violent protestors. Thus making the current government in Kiev illegitimate and the result of a violent coup.
    His ass was impeached by parliament, too. Don't be a hypocrite.
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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    His ass was impeached by parliament, too. Don't be a hypocrite.
    Illegally.

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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Illegally.
    Post your evidence.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    For anyone who supports Russia in Ukraine... please watch this very brave woman (I hope she's safe):


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    Re: Russian Roulette: The Invasion of Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Post your evidence.
    The Constitution requires the approval of the Constitutional Court for a Presidential impeachment. No such approval has been given, therefore the impeachment is illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    For anyone who supports Russia in Ukraine... please watch this very brave woman (I hope she's safe):

    So because someone is against the action, it's wrong. That has to be by far the stupidest argument I've heard made throughout this whole conflict.
    Last edited by Paleocon; 03-04-14 at 02:53 PM.

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