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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    What I've seen from this thread is the following:

    One side thinks this is Obama's fault. Another side has given multiple reasons how that thinking is utterly absurd. The first side sticks fingers in ears chanting "na na na na na na, I can't hear you, so I'll just keep repeating my defeated position ad nauseam".

    Is that pretty much how this thread has gone?
    Did you expect anything else?
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    He's hardly alone on that note. I could list 10 posters off my head posting the same ultrapartisan horse**** that he is.
    It almost makes me think some of them are more loyal and supportive of Putin and Russia than Obama and the United States.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You see what you want to see.
    Yes, and what I see makes me think your fingers must be tired, after having to work so hard to block out the common sense and reality thrown your way.
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    Did you expect anything else?
    I always hope to say yes, but realistically have to say no.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, HE didn't. He played a part in it. So did Lech Walesa, Mikhail Gorbachev, Pope John Paul II, and a host of other people. Reagan did not soar down from the skies on the Golden Eagle of Republican and singlehandedly destroy the USSR -- in fact, the Berlin Wall and the USSR were both still standing when he left office.
    Reagan led the effort to defeat the Soviet Union, he was the general at the head of the charge. The officers and troops behind him share credit but he led the charge.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It almost makes me think some of them are more loyal and supportive of Putin and Russia than Obama and the United States.
    I can name at least two or three that DEFINITELY are. I won't name names, lest I run afoul of the mods, but scroll through the thread and you can see people who are just DELIGHTED that Putin is somehow (in their heads) in some position of dominance over Obama.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Reagan led the effort to defeat the Soviet Union, he was the general at the head of the charge. The officers and troops behind him share credit but he led the charge.
    Ahem.

    There's lots of terms we can use to describe Reagan. "General" is not one of them, in any sense of the word.

    The Soviet Union did more to sink the Soviet Union than Reagan did. A LOT more.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It almost makes me think some of them are more loyal and supportive of Putin and Russia than Obama and the United States.
    Yes, and what I see makes me think your fingers must be tired, what with having to work so hard to block out the common sense and reality thrown your way.
    I always hope to say yes, but realistically have to say no.
    It would be nice if you could talk about the subject itself rather than the people who are actually talking about the subject. Easy to sit on the sidelines and jeer as men on the field play the game isn't it.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I can name at least two or three that DEFINITELY are. I won't name names, lest I run afoul of the mods, but scroll through the thread and you can see people who are just DELIGHTED that Putin is somehow (in their heads) in some position of dominance over Obama.
    It's okay, I'm sure it's the usual suspects. I was astounded at how giddy so many of them were when Putin wrote the op-ed in the New York Times around the time of the Syrian issue, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me at how happy they are now.
    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It would be nice if you could talk about the subject itself rather than the people who are actually talking about the subject. Easy to sit on the sidelines and jeer as men on the field play the game isn't it.
    It would be nice if you'd address the many other points other posters have made in this thread, instead of ignoring them in favor of your fingers. But you don't seem interested in an actual discussion, so I really don't see the point in working to show you why you're wrong, especially after so many others already have.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You keep missing the point here. If we had a pres pushing congress to build a super military instead of one pushing them to tear it down Putin would be discouraged from military adventurism instead of encouraged as he is now.
    No he wouldn't.

    Before going into the Mid East, we had to exaggerate evidence in order to get a "coalition of the willing".

    Putin knows that for the US to try the same with Russia would mean war. Real war.

    And he knows that our list of allies for such a venture will consist of us, ourselves, and we...because the rest of the UN nations aren't willing to risk real war to defend a former Russian territory.

    That's called political strategy applied to military action.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Not much to do now. But when Ukraine became a NATO candidate in 2008 the opportunity to prevent this was on the table. I know it's hindsight, but the pursuit of better relations with Russia appears to be a hopeful approach to placate an international bully. It didn't work then, it won't work now, and it won't work tomorrow.
    : The Ukrainian people are not a down-trodden group like we see in so many parts of the world today. They have enjoyed their independence for a long time, and they are apparently not willing to once again be under a "big daddy" regime. I don't know what prompted Putin's move, other than the fact that he may want to recreate the old glory days of the Czars and the USSR, and have everything under Moscow's thumb.

    Putin has decided on Crimea as his target, and it makes me wonder why. The country is rich in natural resources, though, plus it provides much of the food for the rest of the country since the land is excellent for farming. Is it a power grab for food resources in the future? Everyone becomes a peon again like in the old days, with centralized planning from Moscow? Interesting...

    Greetings, humbolt.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Reagan is not my hero and had his faults but in the end he did win the cold war.
    No, capitalism did.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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