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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    A couple of days ago I saw a tweet by a celebrity that, paraphrased, said that Obama's statement about the Ukraine was either a stern warning to Putin or just a wish that we all had a nice weekend. Obama is hopelessly over his head in foreign policy because he doesn't understand the appearance of force in political relationships. To have power you have to look resolute with your allies and strong to your enemies. Obama is content to use drones as our primary military force because at home he gets good headlines and there is no downside because no troops are harmed. He only cares about domestic politics. If he was as good at leading as he is appearing to lead we'd have one hell of a president. Sadly, this is far from the case.

    My point exactly but you expressed it better than me.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "cowboy Bush" was a liberal slur that I am surprised you are repeating. Bush was a very weak president and that was one of the reasons cons didn't like him and why his poll numbers were so low.
    Eisenwhower too right? Or could it be that Russia has a rich history of doing as they please and without regard for the sovereignty of other countries regardless of who sits in the oval?

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Eisenwhower too right? Or could it be that Russia has a rich history of doing as they please and without regard for other countries sovereignty regardless of who sits in the oval?
    The old Soviet Union was defeated and chastened by a strong US pres (Reagan). Now they are rebuilding under a very weak US pres. ( obama).

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Reagan was attacked by the left for his military build up and his nuke policy not to mention "star wars". The USSR was on shaky ground and Reagan pushed them over the edge. They would have survived a pres like obama and are in fact now rebuilding with obama in power.
    So you believe in communism, think it's a fine economic system, and that, if not interfered with but outside influences, will last indefinitely.


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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So far, no one's been able to explain to me what Obama could have done to avert Putin's move into the Ukraine. Can you?
    Not much to do now. But when Ukraine became a NATO candidate in 2008 the opportunity to prevent this was on the table. I know it's hindsight, but the pursuit of better relations with Russia appears to be a hopeful approach to placate an international bully. It didn't work then, it won't work now, and it won't work tomorrow.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The old Soviet Union was defeated and chastened by a strong US pres (Reagan). Now they are rebuilding under a very weak US pres. ( obama).
    The USSR was collapsing upon itself long before Reagan took office. He deserves SOME credit for the end of the Cold War, but he wasn't Superman.

    All you're doing is barfing up partisan hackery with zero regard for any circumstance other than "Reagan good, Obama bad." Shameless.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are comparing Iraq and Afghanistan to what Russia- Putin is doing?
    No, YOU were, lol.

    I just pointed it out for you.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The old Soviet Union was defeated and chastened by a strong US pres (Reagan). Now they are rebuilding under a very weak US pres. ( obama).
    Because communism is a fantastic economic system that will last indefinitely without outside influence.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Putin would not do this because he would know it would be just the excuse a strong pres in the USA is looking for to build up our military instead of tear it down as obama is doing.
    I really doubt any of that would be on the mind of a Putin. The only hinderance to him would be if you are willing to send our troops into the Ukraine. If not, then Russia hardly gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks.

    Sitting around flexing your muscles it not going to intimidate Putin.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Because communism is a fantastic economic system that will last indefinitely without outside influence.
    The only thing Reagan did to sink the Soviet Union was to escalate the arms race and paint them into a worse financial corner than they were already in. At best, he accelerated the end of the CW by about four years, max. The USSR's financial house was already crashing down.
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