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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

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    MY partisan hackery? YOU'RE the one that mentioned Romney!
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

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    I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

    I don't.
    With Sawyer, it isn't about the subject, just as long as he can exhibit his Obama Derangement Syndrome.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

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    Im not excusing anything. Obama has been a lousy president but given the evidence Romney would have been just the status quo of bad presidents as well. Sorry you don't like the truth.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Hicup seems to be under the oft-repeated delusion that anyone who doesn't overtly loathe All Things Obama, or doesn't think that Romney would have been better than a boot of warm piss (he wouldn't have), is some starry eyed Obama Worshiper who thinks The One can do no wrong, as if those are mutually exclusive positions.

    judging by your posting history are you claiming not to be a starry eyed Obama sycophant? I bet that will get some laughs here. As for NextEra, I didn't want Romney anymore than any decent conservative, but he would have been a damn site better, IMO on foreign policy than Obama and Hillary, and now Kerry have been. At the very least we wouldn't be reducing armed forces benefits, and increasing federal workers benefits at the same time...


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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    judging by your posting history are you claiming not to be a starry eyed Obama sycophant? I bet that will get some laughs here. As for NextEra, I didn't want Romney anymore than any decent conservative, but he would have been a damn site better, IMO on foreign policy than Obama and Hillary, and now Kerry have been. At the very least we wouldn't be reducing armed forces benefits, and increasing federal workers benefits at the same time...


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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    judging by your posting history are you claiming not to be a starry eyed Obama sycophant? I bet that will get some laughs here. As for NextEra, I didn't want Romney anymore than any decent conservative, but he would have been a damn site better, IMO on foreign policy than Obama and Hillary, and now Kerry have been. At the very least we wouldn't be reducing armed forces benefits, and increasing federal workers benefits at the same time...


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    Sorry but your guessing there just like all the others on the left that said Gore would have been a better president. Your opinions do not matter.

    Fact is I have criticized BOTH the Dems and GOP, you just continue to be the GOP lapdog

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    One thing to do would to not make idle threats about there being a price to pay. I don't recall Bush 43 making any comments about how we can not stand for Russians taking over Georgia. It is not in our sphere of influence. In 1948 Truman made some comments about Korea being outside our sphere of influence and shortly thereafter North Koreans attacked. Words have meanings. If you think that you have a chance to get some kind of pressure or international support do so. If not, just say nothing. Obama ridiculed Romney for thinking that Russia was a geopolitical problem. Turns out Romney was right.
    Yes, words have meanings and have impact. True, Obama is not a strong president, and he didn't increase his credibility with his world apology tour.

    The Lybian 'leading from behind', the failure of status of forces agreement with Afghanistan, the softening of his position with Iran and their soon to be nukes, the missteps with Egypt. Any number of instances demonstrated the weakness of Obama internationally. This has in fact emboldened Putin to take a gamble.

    Obama isn't going to do anything. The UN is pointless at this point, and NATO can't really intercede either, as the Ukraine isn't a member. So looks like the Ukraine is Putin's to have. Of course it's going to be a bit on the bloody side, as the Ukrainians have enjoyed their time out from under the ethumb of Moscow, but hey, all good things must come to an end, right?

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : The Ukrainian people are not a down-trodden group like we see in so many parts of the world today. They have enjoyed their independence for a long time, and they are apparently not willing to once again be under a "big daddy" regime. I don't know what prompted Putin's move, other than the fact that he may want to recreate the old glory days of the Czars and the USSR, and have everything under Moscow's thumb.

    Putin has decided on Crimea as his target, and it makes me wonder why. The country is rich in natural resources, though, plus it provides much of the food for the rest of the country since the land is excellent for farming. Is it a power grab for food resources in the future? Everyone becomes a peon again like in the old days, with centralized planning from Moscow? Interesting...

    Greetings, humbolt.
    The change of government could cripple Russia's navy. I believe their acting in self interest, not land grabbing. I could be wrong but everything i've seen, so far, shows Russia to be acting in defense of its self.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yes, words have meanings and have impact. True, Obama is not a strong president, and he didn't increase his credibility with his world apology tour.

    The Lybian 'leading from behind', the failure of status of forces agreement with Afghanistan, the softening of his position with Iran and their soon to be nukes, the missteps with Egypt. Any number of instances demonstrated the weakness of Obama internationally. This has in fact emboldened Putin to take a gamble.

    Obama isn't going to do anything. The UN is pointless at this point, and NATO can't really intercede either, as the Ukraine isn't a member. So looks like the Ukraine is Putin's to have. Of course it's going to be a bit on the bloody side, as the Ukrainians have enjoyed their time out from under the ethumb of Moscow, but hey, all good things must come to an end, right?
    Agree with all of that. I may be one of the few left thinking this way but I would add Iraq which I view as a good war to remove Saddam and sad to see the current situation caused when Obama was unable to get a status of forces agreement there. Emboldened Syria and Iran and made Saudi Arabia and Israel nervous and looking elsewhere, etc. Throwing away hard won victories.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yes, words have meanings and have impact. True, Obama is not a strong president, and he didn't increase his credibility with his world apology tour.

    The Lybian 'leading from behind', the failure of status of forces agreement with Afghanistan, the softening of his position with Iran and their soon to be nukes, the missteps with Egypt. Any number of instances demonstrated the weakness of Obama internationally. This has in fact emboldened Putin to take a gamble.

    Obama isn't going to do anything. The UN is pointless at this point, and NATO can't really intercede either, as the Ukraine isn't a member. So looks like the Ukraine is Putin's to have. Of course it's going to be a bit on the bloody side, as the Ukrainians have enjoyed their time out from under the ethumb of Moscow, but hey, all good things must come to an end, right?
    There's nothing that can be done at this point. We're not in a position to do anything just like Putin wasn't in a position to do anything about our invasion of Iraq.

    Putin doesn't want Ukraine. At least not most of it. There's been basically nothing stopping him from marching into Kiev for 15 years. He does, however, have important military interests to protect in the Crimea.


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