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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    There are other issues at stake here, as well. The, "side show, to the big show", in the words of Sam Watkins.

    Soviet policies on the peninsula led to widespread starvation in 1921.[citation needed] Food was confiscated for shipment to central Russia, while more than 100,000 Tatars starved to death, and tens of thousands fled to Turkey or Romania.[28] Thousands more were deported or slaughtered during the collectivization in 1928–29.[28] The government campaign led to another famine in 1931–33. No other Soviet nationality suffered the decline imposed on the Crimean Tatars; between 1917 and 1933 half the Crimean Tatar population had been killed or deported.

    During World War II, the entire Crimean Tatar population in Crimea fell victim to Soviet policies. Although a great number of Crimean Tatar men served in the Red Army and took part in the partisan movement in Crimea during the war, the existence of the Tatar Legion in the Nazi army and the collaboration of Crimean Tatar religious and political leaders with Hitler during the German occupation of Crimea provided the Soviets with a pretext for accusing the whole Crimean Tatar population of being Nazi collaborators. Modern researchers also point to the fact that a further reason was the geopolitical position of Crimea where Crimean Tatars were perceived as a threat. This belief is based in part on an analogy with numerous other cases of deportations of non-Russians from boundary territories (see, e.g., Involuntary settlements in the Soviet Union), as well as the fact that other non-Russian populations, such as Greeks, Armenians and Bulgarians were also removed from Crimea.

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    The Crimean Tatars will most likely resist Russian subjugation--with violence, no doubt. The potential for genocide of Stalinist proportions is high.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ukraine isn't a NATO country.

    Hence the current situation...
    Agreed, Membership in NATO was available in 2008. In 2010 the recently ousted president of Ukraine shelved the option. Not surprising that the Kremlin's man would do that.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    At the moment it's looking very likely that Ukraine will be absorbed within the influence of Russia (to put it nicely) too much for them to be thinking of NATO membership any time soon.
    The Ukraine won't be, "absorbed", without a blood bath. There isn't a majority in The Ukraine that wants to be under Russian control.

    The necessity of Russia's use of force will goad NATO into granting membership to The Ukraine and expedite Georgia's membership. The Ukrainians and Georgians would nothing more than to kill a bunch of Russians.

    Something else to consider, is that half the Crimean Tatars are Muslim. If foreign jihadists start flocking to Crimea to defend brother Muslims, thing will definitely get bloody.

    Yeah, it's easy to sit back and say, "it's not our fight", but when you look at the big picture, it's not hard to see how it could very easily become our fight.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

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    There's probably a good reason why Russian and the United States didn't get into a face-to-face shooting incident even once during the entire span of the cold war. I don't think that reason has changed terribly much since then.
    Besides each country's nuclear arsenal, the Soviets knew they couldn't win. The Soviets were truly afraid of The United States, then.

    Since we've elected a punk for a CIC and he's purged our armed services of most of the general officers that have any balls, the Russians aren't as afraid of us.

    Integrating females and abolishing DADT don't help the situation.
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    The angle that I'm taking is not only does Putin think Obama is weak and that America has no stomach for real casualty rates, but consider that Obama's top military advisors are yes men. He's replaced, and ore retired all the real tough guys. So not only does Putin know this, he's doing what any good tactician would do, and that's seize upon the moment whilst your main opposition is out fund raising.

    I laugh but this is actually quite serious, way more serious than the red line over Syria. The media, especially the left media (Which is almost all of them) are not covering this with any great deal of urgency, and once again covering for Obama. The words of Hillary come to mind. "What difference does it make"..

    But hey, let's elect more progressives and progress ourselves to irrelevancy. China already bitch slapped Obama over Japans waters, and Putin said, hell yeah, I can one up ya..


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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Besides each country's nuclear arsenal, the Soviets knew they couldn't win. The Soviets were truly afraid of The United States, then.

    Since we've elected a punk for a CIC and he's purged our armed services of most of the general officers that have any balls, the Russians aren't as afraid of us.

    Integrating females and abolishing DADT don't help the situation.

    Oops... Hehehe... Great minds think alike. I should have read the whole thread before commenting. Apdst I was thinking exactly the same thing you were, just independently.



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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Oops... Hehehe... Great minds think alike. I should have read the whole thread before commenting. Apdst I was thinking exactly the same thing you were, just independently.



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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It doesn't hurt to say it twice, bro.
    Yep because if we only had Romney as President HE was the next Reagan. And Russia would have never done this if Romney was president right?

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yep because if we only had Romney as President HE was the next Reagan. And Russia would have never done this if Romney was president right?
    Did I say that?
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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did I say that?
    well the premise from Cons has been if Obama wasn't president, which would mean Romney would have been, that this would not have happened.

    So yes, you did say that.

    Or if I'm incorrect are you saying that if Romney would have been president this wouldn't have happened?

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