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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Yeah, the thread title is confusing. Very dangerous situation unfolding in Ukraine and will have international ripple affects.

    Regarding Fox news, it seems to be the only network now devoted to actual news generally speaking. CNN only has editorials now it seems, and movies. I'm watching the penis looking guy that hosts Reliable Sources now, and all I've seen are liberal talking points, not even a discussion about Ukraine. MSNBC is an arm of the administration.

    Think I've covered both the title and content of the thread here. Were you around during the cold war?
    I was around when sirens went off and you hid under your desk in preperation for all out nuclear war or as we used to call it, " put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye". I think young people these days blow off the cold war because they didn't live through that.

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Let's try reality. Tymoshenko has gone to Moscow like Ted Cruz would go to the Koch brothers to get support. Julia is a crook and the Russians know that. Yanukovych is a crook and the Russians know that. Yats is a crook and the Russians know that. The "revolution" is simply CIA intrigue and the players were bluffing and Putin called and raised. If the Russians were oppressive, they wouldn't be so popular in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. The Russians were/are the only ones helping Ukraine. That would be gas at one half price of World mardet value, and the previously agreed purchase of $15 billion in Ukraine bonds. I haven't heard any comparable offers from the West. IMF loans always impoverish the borrower, like Greece, Ireland, etc. and result in "privatisation" of National infrastructure to the detriment of the borrower. The objective facts would indicate that Russia is the only Nation actually helping Ukraine in a legal "de facto" manner. We should be worried about Ukrainians here, not East West banking/money/Central Bank power plays. We, the USA, are guilty of creating this instability, just like Libya, just like Syria, Just like Egypt, just like the rogue CIA. The CIA is to protect USA CORPORATIONS overseas, so inquire what CORPORATIONS would stand to profit the most by this particular intrigue and then start follwoing the links. Russia has more interest in a stable and happy Ukraine than any Nation of the World. For the USA, it is not about liberty, democracy, freedom or any other popular Mainstream Media buzzword from the Mighty Wurlitzer, it is CORPORATE hegemony. End of story. Wake up, let's help Ukrainians and ask Putin what we can do to help as a partner.

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was around when sirens went off and you hid under your desk in preperation for all out nuclear war or as we used to call it, " put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye". I think young people these days blow off the cold war because they didn't live through that.

    Why would we want to go back to those days?
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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Why would we want to go back to those days?
    Reagan ended those days, that's the point.

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I was around when sirens went off and you hid under your desk in preperation for all out nuclear war or as we used to call it, " put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye". I think young people these days blow off the cold war because they didn't live through that.
    I remember being a child in the 50's and learning that "Duck and Cover" in case of a nuclear bomb and I was ready to make some snide remark about the effectiveness of a desk against a nuke......

    But then I found this excerpt from the book "Hiroshima".
    After the first Hiroshima atomic bombing in Japan, one Hiroshima policeman went to Nagasaki to teach police about ducking after the atomic flash. As a result of this timely warning, not a single Nagasaki policeman died in Nagasaki’s atomic blast
    I did not know that. Am glad I didn't make a fool out of myself this time.

    This is Story of Hiroshima policman who survived 1st atomic bombing

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Let's try reality. Tymoshenko has gone to Moscow like Ted Cruz would go to the Koch brothers to get support. Julia is a crook and the Russians know that. Yanukovych is a crook and the Russians know that. Yats is a crook and the Russians know that. The "revolution" is simply CIA intrigue and the players were bluffing and Putin called and raised. If the Russians were oppressive, they wouldn't be so popular in the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. The Russians were/are the only ones helping Ukraine. That would be gas at one half price of World mardet value, and the previously agreed purchase of $15 billion in Ukraine bonds. I haven't heard any comparable offers from the West. IMF loans always impoverish the borrower, like Greece, Ireland, etc. and result in "privatisation" of National infrastructure to the detriment of the borrower. The objective facts would indicate that Russia is the only Nation actually helping Ukraine in a legal "de facto" manner. We should be worried about Ukrainians here, not East West banking/money/Central Bank power plays. We, the USA, are guilty of creating this instability, just like Libya, just like Syria, Just like Egypt, just like the rogue CIA. The CIA is to protect USA CORPORATIONS overseas, so inquire what CORPORATIONS would stand to profit the most by this particular intrigue and then start follwoing the links. Russia has more interest in a stable and happy Ukraine than any Nation of the World. For the USA, it is not about liberty, democracy, freedom or any other popular Mainstream Media buzzword from the Mighty Wurlitzer, it is CORPORATE hegemony. End of story. Wake up, let's help Ukrainians and ask Putin what we can do to help as a partner.
    Russia has its supporters in the Ukraine for two reasons. Some prosper under the corruption while others get a steady supply of scraps thrown their way and they become institutionalized. Kind of like what obama is attempting here, get so many people dependent on him and the DNC that they will never vote republican again.

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    I remember being a child in the 50's and learning that "Duck and Cover" in case of a nuclear bomb and I was ready to make some snide remark about the effectiveness of a desk against a nuke......

    But then I found this excerpt from the book "Hiroshima".

    I did not know that. Am glad I didn't make a fool out of myself this time.

    This is Story of Hiroshima policman who survived 1st atomic bombing
    It would only help if you were on the very fringes of the blast.

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    Re: In truth, I'm not sure I've ever watched Fox News other than those excerpts poste

    Not sure how the title of this thread got screwed up, it's supposed to be this, maybe a mod could fix it....

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : Mobilizing as quickly as they did is not something that is normally an overnight decision. Financing the Olympics was a huge cost to Russia, but it may have been a useful foil to distract attention from his real agenda? It's starting to look that way! Clever on his part, since we were distracted and angry about his decision on not allowing gays to participate, while I would bet all my money he could personally care less about what a person's sexuality is. It did serve his purpose, though, in taking advantage of all the fluff and hoop-la the media created about it, while he concentrated on his power grab agenda.

    While parts of the world may be sympathetic to our decision to treat everyone equally, raw power still carries more weight. What options does Obama have at this point? Get militarily involved, which most Americans don't agree with, and from what I've been reading we may not be ready for? Do nothing except lodge protests at the UN, which may be futile? Try negotiating, which Putin probably expects, and is prepared for? Interesting...
    Obama can't do much of anything significant to stop it. Military involvement is out of the question. The military is tired, and the public is tired of protracted war. We have only two of 10 carriers deployed, and we're busy downsizing. This situation is more about Russia exploiting the circumstances than anything in particular Obama has or hasn't done. We have been fairly flat footed in foreign affairs during his administration, but this is the action of an expansionist Russia filling a perceived power vacuum in an area where its simple for them to do so. The EU can't change their energy sources overnight and can't rebuild their military overnight either. Maybe it's a wake up call. I bet it is for Poland, and those ABM systems we cancelled could be back on the table in short order, among other things. Though I'd be surprised to see it, Putin may have just overplayed his hand. We'll see.

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    Re: Russia Moves to Deploy Troops in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm just curious. Although this wouldn't be an exact parallel, do you think we'd listen to Russia if we sent troops into Mexico to protect American interests there?

    I don't.
    Has The United States invaded other countries and murdered millions of people? Is the POTUS a former KGB colonel, that wishes to go back to the days of The Iron Curtain?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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