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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The lie that it was all Kerry's idea and that the plan allowed Syria to avoid US intervention.
    It's not a lie. If you'd listen to Kerry, he was responding to a reporters question of weather or not there was something president Assad could do to avoid US military engagement. John Kerry threw that out as somewhat of an impossibility, saying that there's little chance he would comply. But behold, Putin jumped on it. But dude, whether or not Kerry was speaking outside his script, we avoided another US military engagement in the ME, and!! President Assad surrenders his WMD. And you consider this an Obama failure. Just fantastic.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not a lie. If you'd listen to Kerry, he was responding to a reporters question of weather or not there was something president Assad could do to avoid US military engagement. John Kerry threw that out as somewhat of an impossibility, saying that there's little chance he would comply. But behold, Putin jumped on it. But dude, whether or not Kerry was speaking outside his script, we avoided another US military engagement in the ME, and!! President Assad surrenders his WMD. And you consider this an Obama failure. Just fantastic.
    Assad hasn't surrendered jack ****. He's already missed the 5 Feb deadline and agreed on a 27 Apr deadline, that I'm sure he'll miss as well. To date, Assad has surrendered all but 96% of his chem weapons.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Since you both seem to advocating for another Cheney disaster .
    Kindly link to where I advocated for military action.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah! That's how it happened!
    The revisionism is remarkable.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Putin doesn't care about all of the Ukraine, only the really good part, like the east. It's like attacking someone's house and taking only the really, really good stuff. Sure you can have most of the house, the roof, trees, but we want the jewelry, car, garage, and the piggy banks. Obama will be shown up by a real leader somewhere in Europe or maybe even Canada, and of course, Obama and his apologists will lay all the credit on Obama.. My God lib's, look, this isn't about race or hatred of the President, it's about leadership. He has none, he has never shown us any, and he sure as **** ain't feared by anyone. He isn't going to get any legacy from Obamacare, at least not a good one, why not man up and actually do something worthy of an American President.


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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    The Crimea is virtually a different country/region then the Ukraine...it is semi-autonomous. Has been for a LONG time. It houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet...obviously they are going to have Russian troops there.

    It is not surprising AT ALL that Russia will send more troops into the Crimea.

    Now, if they start sending troops deep into the eastern Ukraine outside of the Crimea...then it gets a bit concerning. Until they do this...there is nothing major for the west to worry about.

    What exactly do these partisan Obama-attackers want the POTUS to do? Start flying in U.S. troops into the Crimea...even though no one official there has requested it? That would be INCREDIBLY stupid.
    Send in U.S. troops to the Ukraine? They have not been invited. That also would be incredibly stupid.

    Then what else? Talk tougher? And say what exactly? They cannot tell the Russians to leave the Crimea since they are allowed to be there. They could threaten the Russians if they enter the Eastern Ukraine in force..but they (the West) are already doing that. Any more threats would just be posturing and, IMO, foolish.

    I think Obama is a lousy POTUS (just as G.W.Bush was)...but I do not see him doing ANYTHING wrong on this SO FAR.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Lots of Europeans thought (think?) they're living in a world beyond violence. It's part of why they look down on brutish Americans. I find their idealism charming, personally.
    Not really about idealism, it's about many disparate groups living in close proximity. Europe does not have the luxury that America enjoys (land mass) and NO neighbouring threats. Big difference. Funny though, when Europe tries to integrate (European Union) America jumps on that idea, also

    It is regional 'power' politics at play. Wait until China decides to flex a bit of military muscle, that will be the time to worry....

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The United States has whipped every one of their asses, at one time, or another, too.
    Hah. Stick around a while.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Really? How many soldiers do you know? The vast majority of everyone I know from the time I was 20 on is military or ex-military, and I wouldn't say all of them believe anything.

    The fact of the matter is that Europe likes to think they're in a post-violence world. They've been able to think that because the US has been doing the majority of fighting on behalf of Western interests since World War II. The odds of that continuing, though, for the next 70 years as it has the last are very low. They'll learn, sooner or later.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Very few are combat troops. Ramstein is HQ for mechanics, medical personnel, administrative staff, logistics, that kind of thing.
    Swordfish.

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