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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I thought the Olympics was a time of peace, when, however temorarily, the fighting stopped for a bit?


    Is this false?
    Russia won the most medals, nationalism is quite high, and our president is still a chump.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They have seen that Obama doesn't have a spine, and the Russians will capitalize on it. All Obama is talking about is "economic options." That will just be laughed at in Russia. This could end up bad if we don't act and act quickly.

    I think we should send troops to Western Ukraine to reinforce our allies there. Respond to their call for help. We can't show weakness by letting Russia walk in and just dominate.
    Indeed. Putin has been punking the west for some time in order to gain popularity at home-outside of his stunts, he's actually seen as a mediocre leader-which means he will draw this out for the most gain he can get.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They have seen that Obama doesn't have a spine, and the Russians will capitalize on it. All Obama is talking about is "economic options." That will just be laughed at in Russia. This could end up bad if we don't act and act quickly.

    I think we should send troops to Western Ukraine to reinforce our allies there. Respond to their call for help. We can't show weakness by letting Russia walk in and just dominate.
    It's not showing weakness. Ukraine is a Russian border country. It makes sense that they would take the lead, as it would for European countries that border it. I wouldn't expect Russia to take the lead were the same thing to happen in Mexico.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's not showing weakness. Ukraine is a Russian border country. It makes sense that they would take the lead, as it would for European countries that border it. I wouldn't expect Russia to take the lead were the same thing to happen in Mexico.
    Right on cue. Glory for mother Russia eh comrade?

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    The political drama began in the morning, when the pro-Russia prime minister of Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, declared that he had sole control over the military and the police, and appealed to Mr. Putin for Russian help in safeguarding the region. He also said a public referendum on independence would be held on March 30.

    The Kremlin quickly issued a statement saying that Mr. Aksyonov’s plea “would not be ignored,” and within hours the upper chamber of Russia’s Parliament had authorized military action.
    Crimea is an autonomous region within Ukraine, if they wish to seek total independence from Ukraine, then good luck to them. As long as Russian forces limit themselves to Crimea, and respect the results of the referendum, I don't have a problem with this.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Right on cue. Glory for mother Russia eh comrade?
    Russia does have there Black sea fleet and warm water port in Crimea. That much of this can be understood.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    You might know something about war, but that doesn't mean Americans as a whole know anything about it. Having two world wars on their home soil changed European culture and gave them a different perspective on war.

    That said, I've never met an ex-soldier who was actually in combat who had the political leanings of a hawk. If you do, you would be the first. The lesson most people draw from their time in combat is that they wouldn't wish it on anyone and that it should be an absolute last resort.

    Maybe it's different for Europeans as well since it was at home, many of them, including my family, saw their homes destroyed, their women and children right in the middle of the battle zone, not something you ever want to happen to you.
    Really? How many soldiers do you know? The vast majority of everyone I know from the time I was 20 on is military or ex-military, and I wouldn't say all of them believe anything.

    The fact of the matter is that Europe likes to think they're in a post-violence world. They've been able to think that because the US has been doing the majority of fighting on behalf of Western interests since World War II. The odds of that continuing, though, for the next 70 years as it has the last are very low. They'll learn, sooner or later.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Right on cue. Glory for mother Russia eh comrade?
    That's not close to what I said. Russia taking the lead in a country in chaos on their border makes more sense than for America to. I also said it would make sense if Germany or another European country were leading.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    And Obama skipped his security meeting. Probably had to golf.
    Obama Skips National Security Team Meeting on Russia, Ukraine | The Weekly Standard

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I find your patronizing attitude funny, personally. Europe went through two world wars on their own soil, they know more about violence than Americans could ever imagine.
    The United States has whipped every one of their asses, at one time, or another, too.
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