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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

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    Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared
    By ALISON SMALE and DAVID M. HERSZENHORNMARCH 1, 2014

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/wo...e.html?hp&_r=0


    This is what happens when the US has a weak leader the world can read like an open book-the worlds less savory cats are comfortable openly punking us. Now I know those of us on the left love this thinking its a good thing for the US to lose influence, only to be replaced by violence and less savory characters like russia.

    They have seen that Obama doesn't have a spine, and the Russians will capitalize on it. All Obama is talking about is "economic options." That will just be laughed at in Russia. This could end up bad if we don't act and act quickly.

    I think we should send troops to Western Ukraine to reinforce our allies there. Respond to their call for help. We can't show weakness by letting Russia walk in and just dominate.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    They have seen that Obama doesn't have a spine, and the Russians will capitalize on it. All Obama is talking about is "economic options." That will just be laughed at in Russia. This could end up bad if we don't act and act quickly.

    I think we should send troops to Western Ukraine to reinforce our allies there. Respond to their call for help. We can't show weakness by letting Russia walk in and just dominate.
    what military options do we have?
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what military options do we have?
    Western Ukraine have asked us to come in and help protect their borders. Send troops in as a response to that, but don't give them any orders to attack anyone.

    The Russians will never attack US military troops. They'll see that we mean business and then they'll sit down and negotiate with us.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Western Ukraine have asked us to come in and help protect their borders. Send troops in as a response to that, but don't give them any orders to attack anyone.

    The Russians will never attack US military troops. They'll see that we mean business and then they'll sit down and negotiate with us.
    what troops? do we even have any troops in that region? Any fresh reserves?
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what troops? do we even have any troops in that region? Any fresh reserves?
    We sure do.

    http://www.ramstein.af.mil/

    Over 54,000 servicemen stationed over there.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Western Ukraine have asked us to come in and help protect their borders. Send troops in as a response to that, but don't give them any orders to attack anyone.

    The Russians will never attack US military troops. They'll see that we mean business and then they'll sit down and negotiate with us.
    Except Russia is fine with losing western Ukraine, eastern Ukraine has the ethnic Russian, the very important naval port, and the heavy industry. Russia would negotiate from a position of strength. Meaning Russia will accept a vote in eastern Ukraine on if it should remain part of Ukraine or separate. Using the fact that the new Ukrainian government is of course non elected and not democratic as a main point
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I find your patronizing attitude funny, personally. Europe went through two world wars on their own soil, they know more about violence than Americans could ever imagine.
    Really? I've personally fought in three different wars in the last ten years, but someone in Europe knows better than me because there was a war in their hometown 70 years ago? That's cute.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Except Russia is fine with losing western Ukraine, eastern Ukraine has the ethnic Russian, the very important naval port, and the heavy industry. Russia would negotiate from a position of strength. Meaning Russia will accept a vote in eastern Ukraine on if it should remain part of Ukraine or separate. Using the fact that the new Ukrainian government is of course non elected and not democratic as a main point
    Yeah, but that's an acceptable outcome. Not ideal, but acceptable. Eastern Ukraine goes to the Russians, Western Ukraine should then soon after join NATO and possibly the EU.

    At the end of the day, the balance of power in Europe is maintained. Neither side comes out the loser.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Really? I've personally fought in three different wars in the last ten years, but someone in Europe knows better than me because there was a war in their hometown 70 years ago? That's cute.
    You might know something about war, but that doesn't mean Americans as a whole know anything about it. Having two world wars on their home soil changed European culture and gave them a different perspective on war.

    That said, I've never met an ex-soldier who was actually in combat who had the political leanings of a hawk. If you do, you would be the first. The lesson most people draw from their time in combat is that they wouldn't wish it on anyone and that it should be an absolute last resort.

    Maybe it's different for Europeans as well since it was at home, many of them, including my family, saw their homes destroyed, their women and children right in the middle of the battle zone, not something you ever want to happen to you.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    I thought the Olympics was a time of peace, when, however temorarily, the fighting stopped for a bit?


    Is this false?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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