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Thread: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Service men and troops are not quite the same thing.

    Ramstein is an Air Force bas the vast majority of people there are essentially uniformed airport staff.

    We have no combat troops any where close to the Ukraine
    Fine, but NATO was created for specifically this purpose and we are not the only nation in NATO

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Uh lol? Okay? Are you upset that I said it was funny that Europe thinks it's in a post violence world? lol
    I think you have a negative attitude and this situation in Ukraine is concerning to me. We can talk about European pacifism another day.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    "Glory be to all nations." I'm not Xtian, but doesn't it say that in your Bible somewhere?
    "my" bible? You are making some assumptions there aren't you?

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    And in doing so makes us look weak and impotent. He should have said nothing if he had no intention of following it up.
    This is the problem-how many times has he had his bluff called? He's lost credibility and squandered his political capital. Im ashamed at how easily the world punks our president. He's truly out of his league.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm..Russia invades Georgia and takes territories from them, now they are doing the same with Ukraine.

    Now last I knew Russia was signatory to the UN Charter and the Geneva Convention. Now I can't remember which one has it but one of those has a clause in it that prohibits taking over another countries territory. Which means they are violating treaties. Why is this being allowed?
    Who's going to stop them?

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Nope, to the rest of the world, it makes us look sensible.

    Only makes us look weak to the warmongering right wing loons who get their "knowledge" of the world from FauxNews and rush limbaugh.

    True, it's childish to threaten force and not back it up (i. e. speak loudly and carry a twig), but O has no choice; as a pol, he has to pacify the mindless warmongering right wing loons in Red State America, or else they'll go crazy.

    A POTUS stating "there will be consequences" is no different than an Iranian President threatening to "destroy Israel"--just political fluff to keep the ignorant, hateful right wing masses in one's country quiet, like giving a baby his bottle.
    This is a rather myopic view on diplomacy.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Right, but what rush limbaugh never told you was that the region in Georgia Putin seized--south Ossetia--was staunchly pro-Russian, so the invasion was actually welcomed by those people.



    Crimea is no different; it's largely pro-Russian.
    That does not matter-change from within is one thing-inviting another nation to invade is entirely another. There were pro-nazi Poles and pro-soviet poles in WW2.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's how Hitler justified invading Poland and Czechoslovakia.
    Absolutely. It amazes me how little people know history, let alone learned from it.

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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I think you have a negative attitude and this situation in Ukraine is concerning to me. We can talk about European pacifism another day.
    Okay, soldier boy.
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    Re: Kremlin Clears Way for Force in Ukraine; Separatist Split Feared

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: I don't listen to Rush. The only radio I listen to is a country station and then because its the only station that isn't some religious talk show or heavy metal crap...and even then I only listen to it on my 5 minute drive to work.

    2: That is idiotic reasoning to invade another country's sovereignty. Would you support Mexico invading the US because a part of it was staunchly pro-Mexico? How about China invading the US because there's a segment that is staunchly pro-China? How about N. Korea invading a part of S. Korea because there is a small segment that is Pro-N. Korea? Oh wait...there are a lot of Pro-American folks out there in the world...should we invade all of the countries segments that house those people? Your arguement here has to be the weakest and lamest arguement that I have ever witnessed on these boards.

    3: I noticed that you failed to address the very real fact that Russia is bound by treaty to NOT invade and take other countries territories.
    The US govt. has zero credibility when it comes to lecturing other nations about international law and territorial sovereignty, since it continues its practice of repeatedly bombing and invading other countries that don't attack the US.

    It's also lamentable that US taxpayer dollars are being used to fund/subsidize Russian opposition groups in the Ukraine, another thing you won't hear rush or the mainstream media talk about.

    Putin's actions were wrong--he should have pursued a diplomatic sol'n that took into account the will of the Ukrainian people as well as those in Crimea before deciding to use force, but Putin has demonstrated a pattern of always preferring to use force.

    But the key issue here is that the story isn't as one-sided as the fauxnews commentators and rush, hannity, etc. want to portray--Russia is not invading a region because it's just a mean 'ol country that likes to take advantage of people; rather, their invasion has largely been welcomed by Crimeans. That wouldn't be such a big deal, except for the fact that those aforementioned media personalities/outlets are the only source from which conservatives get their world view.

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