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Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

ChrisL said:
Those were all legal gun owners? I don't think so. Also, this is not a link, and that many people does not account for a "lot of people" relatively speaking.
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more than 75% of all murders are committed by people who cannot legally own firearms. Its also true about those who are murdered.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Holy **** man, what's with China and knife attacks?

Anyway, hope for a safe recovery for the survivors.
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It's one of the few weapons they can get. IIRC the only firearms allowed are to military and party members there, but I know they have some of the more severe gun laws on the planet.
 
TurtleDude said:
clean records-yes, Law abiding NO. most of those people bought weapons with the intent to use ten illegally. that is a felony.

what is your solution-prior restraint.
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Was Loughner a legal gun owner?
 
theaterofdreams said:
1) Fair enough, though the primary and overwhelming purpose of guns is as I stated, to kill, injure, or threaten violence.
2) I made no mention about self-defense in my second point. I was talking about the disparity between the arms we are allowed to own, and the weapons the government has, and could use against us. You can argue that the 2nd amendment could be interpreted to allow private citizens to own any contemporary weapon system.
3) As far as self-defense goes, I'm not sure how many shooting deaths we need in this country before people realize more guns is not the solution. We have women getting shot in the face after being in a car accident, mentally ill people being shot by police for no reason, simple fist fights escalating to fatal shootings. At what point do guns start saving lives because I think we're all still waiting.
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why is everyone who wants to limit guns far left?
 
theaterofdreams said:
1) Guns are more convenient and more deadly than knives
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Completely false. Knives and bullets all have different characteristics, big knives can create a larger wound and often a "dirtier" wound channel than a typical ball round would. Knives are easier to conceal until the last minute. The difference is range.
2) Knives have multiple uses. Gun's only use is to either kill, injure, or threaten
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This is completely false. Guns can be used for anything to be done with range such as plinking, hunting, defensive use and many times just producing a gun will disengage an assailant, it can be used for predator control.

3) If the argument for owning guns is that guns deter violence, you can also argue that even more deadly weapons (RPG's, chemical weapons, etc) could do an even better job at deterring violence, but an overwhelming majority of people, including pro-gun supporters, would agree that these weapons should not be made available to the public.
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And this argument is really just beat to death. It's time for people to retire it, a gun and an RPG are completely different, as are chemical weapons.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Completely false. Knives and bullets all have different characteristics, big knives can create a larger wound and often a "dirtier" wound channel than a typical ball round would. Knives are easier to conceal until the last minute. The difference is range.
This is completely false. Guns can be used for anything to be done with range such as plinking, hunting, defensive use and many times just producing a gun will disengage an assailant, it can be used for predator control.

And this argument is really just beat to death. It's time for people to retire it, a gun and an RPG are completely different, as are chemical weapons.
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Good points, especially the bold part.
 
ChrisL said:
Well yeah, but did he purchase his gun legally? For some reason, I didn't think he did.
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I thought he sort of did but if he purchased for the purpose of criminal attack, he can be charged with that even if he passed the background check
 
theaterofdreams said:
1) Guns are more convenient and more deadly than knives
2) Knives have multiple uses. Gun's only use is to either kill, injure, or threaten
3) If the argument for owning guns is that guns deter violence, you can also argue that even more deadly weapons (RPG's, chemical weapons, etc) could do an even better job at deterring violence, but an overwhelming majority of people, including pro-gun supporters, would agree that these weapons should not be made available to the public.
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Horsepoop.
 
TurtleDude said:
why is everyone who wants to limit guns far left?
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Isn't it funny how they concentrate on the small tiny minority of people who purchased a gun legally and committed a crime with it, and completely ignore all of those who have illegal weapons and commit crimes with them every day.
 
Higgins86 said:
Annually the claim was gun control doesn't work based off this one horrific attack, if that is true their annual homicide rate should be just as high as Americas given the fact they have a much larger population.

It's also worth pointing out that being allowed to own and carry firearms hasn't stopped mass murder in the US either on the contrary you have one of the worst murder rates in the world.
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This is the latest attack. There have been numerous knife mass attacks in China over the last year or so with double digit casualty counts, this one happened to involve more fatalities.
 
ChrisL said:
Isn't it funny how they concentrate on the small tiny minority of people who purchased a gun legally and committed a crime with it, and completely ignore all of those who have illegal weapons and commit crimes with them every day.
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that's because their goal is to get rid of legal gun ownership and with it the pro gun groups that give lots of money and votes to non socialist politicians
 
Higgins86 said:
schools, cinemas, malls, military bases, navy yards...People don't seem to picky.
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Cinemas and malls are privately owned, and most are firearms prohibited premises(Holmes drove across town to a cinema further from his house which was gun prohibited, the closest one was not). Schools, military bases, and Navy yards are gun free zones, only authorized personnel such as MPs or certain officers may carry.
 
TurtleDude said:
that's because their goal is to get rid of legal gun ownership and with it the pro gun groups that give lots of money and votes to non socialist politicians
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Sometimes probably, but sometimes they're just big wimps who cry and whine "guns are bad, guns are evil" while completely IGNORING the person behind the trigger who is necessary to operate the gun. :roll: It's annoying sometimes.
 
Higgins86 said:
Its no claim these are facts my friend and in our case gun control has not have a negative effect on our murder rate quite the opposite in fact especially over the last 10 years. Not saying that gun control would work in the US like it does in many other countries in fact I know it wouldn't but the pro gun crowd needs to stop using Britain's laws as an example because gun control here as been overall very successful.
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Victimization crimes are up in the U.K. according to INTERPOL, Nationmaster statistics, and other international reporting.
 
Higgins86 said:
It was talking to posters like yourself that made me realise that gun control wouldn't;t work in the US like it does in other countries. Hidden factors like the drug war, diverse landscape/population etc would make it almost impossible to enforce and previously was something I never took into consideration.
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To give you an example, there are lots of private and secluded public beaches here in the U.S. that a smuggler could easily find. I know of many in my own state and even though I have no intention of breaking any laws if I wanted to get an illegal shipment in it wouldn't be too difficult.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, it could be worse. We could be like some foreign countries where they actually fight and throw things at one another. :lol: We haven't devolved to that point yet, so there's a silver lining in the cloud. Lol!
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I honestly think they should just start beating on each other, maybe a loose wire will get knocked back in place for a few of them. :lol:
 
LaMidRighter said:
I honestly think they should just start beating on each other, maybe a loose wire will get knocked back in place for a few of them. :lol:
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But those are very entertaining to see on the news.

Politics are explosive! :lamo

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vash1012 said:
If the average person can have a CCW, don't you think the terrorists would have had guns too?
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With their networks they can get weapons regardless, CCW permits are something that a known terrorist would not be able to obtain, and seeking one would be a fantastic way for them to identify their location to authorities.
 
Higgins86 said:
I would say a majority of US schools run gun drills, also I carry my swiss army knife wherever I go and I also go shooting one a week. :)
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I have never been in or heard of a school with of an active shooter drill here, the idea has been brought up in the legislature but it's not something we exactly worry about.
 
theaterofdreams said:
Why are so many gun nuts far right?
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the only gun nuts are those who wet themselves over honest people being armed

we on the right believe in personal freedom and decentralizing power. You on the far left want the government to have more and more and more power and disarming the people concentrates that power in the hands of the government

many of you far lefties feel criminals cannot help their unlawful acts and you don't like the possibility of them being shot so you don't want their victims armed either
 
LaMidRighter said:
I have never been in or heard of a school with of an active shooter drill here, the idea has been brought up in the legislature but it's not something we exactly worry about.
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I've never heard of that either, but I didn't say anything because I don't know what happens in other schools in other states.
 
TurtleDude said:
the only gun nuts are those who wet themselves over honest people being armed

we on the right believe in personal freedom and decentralizing power. You on the far left want the government to have more and more and more power and disarming the people concentrates that power in the hands of the government

many of you far lefties feel criminals cannot help their unlawful acts and you don't like the possibility of them being shot so you don't want their victims armed either
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AND some of us in the middle too! ;)
 
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