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Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

It was talking to posters like yourself that made me realise that gun control wouldn't;t work in the US like it does in other countries. Hidden factors like the drug war, diverse landscape/population etc would make it almost impossible to enforce and previously was something I never took into consideration.

Just like prohibition and the war on drugs didn't work. There would just be a bigger black market for illegal weapons, and then that creates more violent crimes.
 
Banning something has never been a viable solution and fails every time. I have a friend who is a public defender in CO and he is ardent believer in the 2nd Amendment, he says there have been plenty of cases (with which he was a part of) in which people have successfully defended themselves from criminals using their guns.

Also, this incident highlights the fact that cops will not come to your aid until after the deed has been done so leaving yourself unarmed and expecting the police to help every time is not only naive but stupid.
 
Just like prohibition and the war on drugs didn't work. There would just be a bigger black market for illegal weapons, and then that creates more violent crimes.

But like I said that doesn't mean gun control has failed in other countries. Different strokes for different folks.
 
But like I said that doesn't mean gun control has failed in other countries. Different strokes for different folks.

Okay, that's fine. I don't usually go starting threads about another country's gun policies, or lack thereof. Honestly, I'm really only interested in the US and that our government follows the Constitution and doesn't violate our citizen rights. It's just nice to point out the hypocrisy of the pro control crowd sometimes. :mrgreen:
 
Let's see if I have this right -- some Islamist terrorists intent on mass murder use knives to kill 27 and injure 109, and so instead of showing any sympathy for the victims or discussing the nature of the ideology that drives them to kill, people wish they had unfettered access to more dangerous, longer ranged weapons so as to up the body count considerably.

That sure sounds pretty effed up to me.
 
Let's see if I have this right -- some Islamist terrorists intent on mass murder use knives to kill 27 and injure 109, and so instead of showing any sympathy for the victims or discussing the nature of the ideology that drives them to kill, people wish they had unfettered access to more dangerous, longer ranged weapons so as to up the body count considerably.

That sure sounds pretty effed up to me.

The OP started this off as a conversation about gun control. It is not an RIP thread. We are discussing political ramifications, as well as social ones, of banning guns, and how easy it is to just substitute another weapon when guns are not readily available. Sometimes those weapons might be less destructive, sometimes more destructive.
 
The OP started this off as a conversation about gun control.

Obviously.


Let's by all means make this all about promoting the notion of providing Islamist terrorists access to weapons capable of killing more people than knives so as to serve our extremely dogmatic agenda when it comes to guns.
 
Never bring a gun to a knife fight.
 
time to ban knives now.
 
Obviously.


Let's by all means make this all about promoting the notion of providing Islamist terrorists access to weapons capable of killing more people than knives so as to serve our extremely dogmatic agenda when it comes to guns.

Well, this time they chose knives. Next time, they could use a bomb. The point is that they are going to find a way to kill regardless, and that can be equated to gun control issues here in America as well. Stricter gun control does not necessarily equal less crime or less murder.
 
One person with a CCW could have put a quick end to the knife attack. Three or four could have ended it before it had begun.

Of course, an autocratic and authoritarian government like that of China would never allow ordinary citizens to have weapons.
 
One person with a CCW could have put a quick end to the knife attack. Three or four could have ended it before it had begun.

Of course, an autocratic and authoritarian government like that of China would never allow ordinary citizens to have weapons.

If the average person can have a CCW, don't you think the terrorists would have had guns too?
 
But like I said that doesn't mean gun control has failed in other countries. Different strokes for different folks.

it hasn't failed to prevent honest people from owning guns

that of course is the main purpose of gun control

controlling criminals is not

England had almost no gun crime BEFORE that country started its collective garment soiling over people owning pistols
 
time to ban knives now.

The pants wetters in England have done that

one of my buddies was moving to England to work as a solicitor for Lloyds of London (as a Canadian citizen working in Cincinnati, he was able to take the British bar exam). He gave me a couple knives he noted would be illegal in England. One was a 1.5" switchblade, the other was a 3" folding knife with a lock on the blade. I in turn gave him a spyderco designed specifically for England-no locking mechanism (meaning its less safe to use)

what a bunch of morons over there running things
 
it hasn't failed to prevent honest people from owning guns

that of course is the main purpose of gun control

controlling criminals is not

England had almost no gun crime BEFORE that country started its collective garment soiling over people owning pistols


and now we have one of the lowest homicide rates in the western world...
 
and now we have one of the lowest homicide rates in the western world...

you had an even LOWER rate before the stupid bed wetting after Dunblane

I loved your moronic Home Secretary blathering (when I was there about 14 years ago) that UK has no crime with LEGAL handguns

of course he failed to note that there were no legal handguns in England anymore but crime with HANDGUNS had gone up
 
you had an even LOWER rate before the stupid bed wetting after Dunblane

I loved your moronic Home Secretary blathering (when I was there about 14 years ago) that UK has no crime with LEGAL handguns

of course he failed to note that there were no legal handguns in England anymore but crime with HANDGUNS had gone up

I love how defensive the American right wing gets over other countries gun laws. Spend more time judging other countries laws than you do your own.
 
I love how defensive the American right wing gets over other countries gun laws. Spend more time judging other countries laws than you do your own.

Gun laws that disarm honest people are anathema to freedom and politicians who impose them should be dealt with like vermin
 
Gun laws that disarm honest people are anathema to freedom and politicians who impose them should be dealt with like vermin

Depends on how you perceive freedom. Sending a kid to school with bulletproof glass, security procedures and potentially armed guards isn't that free to me.
 
Depends on how you perceive freedom. Sending a kid to school with bulletproof glass, security procedures and potentially armed guards isn't that free to me.

we don't do that in 99% of the schools in the USA. not being able to carry a pocket knife is the sign of a society that has become effete and worthless.
 
we don't do that in 99% of the schools in the USA. not being able to carry a pocket knife is the sign of a society that has become effete and worthless.

I would say a majority of US schools run gun drills, also I carry my swiss army knife wherever I go and I also go shooting one a week. :)
 
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