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Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

MACS-24 said:
So, other countries with stricter gun control are safer as many have suggested?


Take away one weapon and criminals will use another. Stop focusing on the tool.

Speedy recovery to all victims.
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I seriously doubt that the 27 dead people will be recovering anytime soon.

China sounds like another dangerous place.

I wonder where all of the police were when this massacre was going on. Do Chinese cops eat donuts?
 
Cephus said:
Oh no, let's ban knives! As I keep saying, banning guns won't work,
the crazies will just use another weapon and cause just as much damage.
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Maybe we need to do something about the crazy people.

Any ideas on that?
 
Higgins86 said:
mmm flawed study and do you know how low our homisice rates are in comparison to the US are?
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What flaws are those? Please be specific.

You might find this interesting too. The part I quoted is just a VERY small part, and explains just a bit as to why statistics will vary from country to country. It's very informative about gun control in the GB.

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

CROSS SECTIONAL ANALYSES

34. In terms of the relationship between gun ownership and homicide, cross sectional analyses, comparing one country with another or comparing groups of countries, create enormous problems because of the huge number of variables that may exist. The simpler of these variables are the different methods of defining and counting the number of firearms. Only those firearms which have been declared to the authorities can be counted. In some countries, licenses are required for almost all classes of firearms, including antiques and air weapons. In other countries, the term antique is extended to cover items considered to be subject to license elsewhere, and many classes of shotgun and rifle are not controlled so are not countable.
35. Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".
36. Many countries, including the United States, do not adjust their statistics down in that way and their figures include cases of self defence, killings by police and justifiable homicides. In Portugal, cases in which the cause of death is unknown are included in the homicide figures, inflating the apparent homicide rate very considerably.
37. Causing death by dangerous driving is not classed as homicide in England and Wales, but is classified as homicide in some countries. Over 200 such cases occur in England and Wales each year.
38. In France, Switzerland and several other countries, attempts and completed homicides are treated as a single statistical unit and can be separated out only by special enquiry.
39. The variables created by the factors listed above could be either eliminated or controlled-for in a thorough study. Other variables are much more difficult to eliminate or balance. Social, ethnic, historical and geographical factors have been shown to be extremely important, and police efficiency, arrest rates and sentencing policies which differ from country to country may be important in some classes of homicide, but are less important in others.
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shrubnose said:
I seriously doubt that the 27 dead people will be recovering anytime soon.

China sounds like another dangerous place.

I wonder where all of the police were when this massacre was going on. Do Chinese cops eat donuts?
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I said all victims, the family members of the deceased are also victims; hence, all a speedy recovery.
 
shrubnose said:
Maybe we need to do something about the crazy people.

Any ideas on that?
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Certainly but nobody wants to talk about the reasons for the crazies, they just want to treat the symptoms.
 
Cephus said:
Certainly but nobody wants to talk about the reasons for the crazies, they just want to treat the symptom
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Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.
 
shrubnose said:
Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.
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China hasn't made the problem go away either, which proves that a strong and autocratic government isn't the answer.
 
shrubnose said:
Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.
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No it doesn't but often, it's easier for people to pretend to be handling the problem, especially for politicians, than to actually handle the problem.
 
Cephus said:
No it doesn't but often, it's easier for people to pretend to be handling the problem, especially for politicians, than to actually handle the problem.
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Isn't pretending to handle the problem what politicians do best?

When they try to actually handle the problem, they have a tendency to make things worse.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Isn't pretending to handle the problem what politicians do best?

When they try to actually handle the problem, they have a tendency to make things worse.
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We could also say that scapegoating is what they do best. :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
What flaws are those? Please be specific.

You might find this interesting too. The part I quoted is just a VERY small part, and explains just a bit as to why statistics will vary from country to country. It's very informative about gun control in the GB.

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence
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Flaws being that we already had a lot of gun control in place before the eventual complete ban of handguns so you can't draw a line like that.
 
Higgins86 said:
Flaws being that we already had a lot of gun control in place before the eventual complete ban of handguns so you can't draw a line like that.
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Did you look at my link? It explains that there is a lot more to it than that. AND, that kind of also supports that gun control doesn't decrease crime. Chicago had a high crime rate comparative to the rest of the country even before the ban, and I believe AFTER the ban, it got even worse. An elderly man who lived in a bad neighborhood actually sued the city (I believe it was Chicago - I'll try to find a link later), to get a handgun because he had been beat up and robbed multiple times.

Actually, here's that link.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/08/16/elderly-man-suing-city-over-denial-of-firearm-permit/
 
MACS-24 said:
Hmm, that was precisely my point.
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No, only the second sentence in my post, which was directed more towards some of the major gun enthusiasts in this thread, helped your point.
 
MACS-24 said:
So, other countries with stricter gun control are safer as many have suggested?


Take away one weapon and criminals will use another. Stop focusing on the tool.

Speedy recovery to all victims.
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If he was armed like our mass murders are the death toll would be in the 100's so your point is a fail.
 
Higgins86 said:
What's Chinas intentional homicide rate?
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For what period? Yesterday 27-29 were intentionally killed with 109 -113 intentional attempted murder. Is there a magic number your looking for?
 
MACS-24 said:
For what period? Yesterday 27-29 were intentionally killed with 109 -113 intentional attempted murder. Is there a magic number your looking for?
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Annually the claim was gun control doesn't work based off this one horrific attack, if that is true their annual homicide rate should be just as high as Americas given the fact they have a much larger population.

It's also worth pointing out that being allowed to own and carry firearms hasn't stopped mass murder in the US either on the contrary you have one of the worst murder rates in the world.
 
Robbie Loucks said:
No, only the second sentence in my post, which was directed more towards some of the major gun enthusiasts in this thread, helped your point.
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Obviously your missing OP point.
 
Higgins86 said:
Annually the claim was gun control doesn't work based off this one horrific attack, if that is true their annual homicide rate should be just as high as Americas given the fact they have a much larger population.

It's also worth pointing out that being allowed to own and carry firearms hasn't stopped mass murder in the US either on the contrary you have one of the worst murder rates in the world.
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Where do the majority of our mass murders happen?
 
ChrisL said:
Did you look at my link? It explains that there is a lot more to it than that. AND, that kind of also supports that gun control doesn't decrease crime. Chicago had a high crime rate comparative to the rest of the country even before the ban, and I believe AFTER the ban, it got even worse. An elderly man who lived in a bad neighborhood actually sued the city (I believe it was Chicago - I'll try to find a link later), to get a handgun because he had been beat up and robbed multiple times.

Actually, here's that link.

Elderly Man Suing City Over Denial Of Firearm Permit « CBS Chicago
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It gun control doesn't decrease crime then why are our murder rates at an all time low? In London the annual rate was 99 people which was the lowest since 1970. London is the safest it has been for over 3 decades, this is despite London's population growing bigger and more diverse over the last 30 years. London's population is 8,174,100 (census 2011) giving a London murder rate of 12.1 per million population in 2012.


London Murders 2006 to 2014

Let's Hold Off Celebrating America's (and New York's) Declining Murder Rate | Peter Dreier
 
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