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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    How does that relate to self-defense?
    You want me to describe a relationship between a quote and self-defense? I don't see how any quote relates to self-defense...do you? Two totally different acts.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You want me to describe a relationship between a quote and self-defense? I don't see how any quote relates to self-defense...do you? Two totally different acts.
    What?
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    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    It gun control doesn't decrease crime then why are our murder rates at an all time low? In London the annual rate was 99 people which was the lowest since 1970. London is the safest it has been for over 3 decades, this is despite London's population growing bigger and more diverse over the last 30 years. London's population is 8,174,100 (census 2011) giving a London murder rate of 12.1 per million population in 2012.


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    Oh, I see, but it's okay for the other side to use statistics? Anyway, as you can see in this post here, that I'm copying for you, the statistics are not always accurate. I put in bold some relevant points for you.

    CROSS SECTIONAL ANALYSES

    34. In terms of the relationship between gun ownership and homicide, cross sectional analyses, comparing one country with another or comparing groups of countries, create enormous problems because of the huge number of variables that may exist. The simpler of these variables are the different methods of defining and counting the number of firearms. Only those firearms which have been declared to the authorities can be counted. In some countries, licenses are required for almost all classes of firearms, including antiques and air weapons. In other countries, the term antique is extended to cover items considered to be subject to license elsewhere, and many classes of shotgun and rifle are not controlled so are not countable.
    35. Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".
    36. Many countries, including the United States, do not adjust their statistics down in that way and their figures include cases of self defence, killings by police and justifiable homicides. In Portugal, cases in which the cause of death is unknown are included in the homicide figures, inflating the apparent homicide rate very considerably.
    37. Causing death by dangerous driving is not classed as homicide in England and Wales, but is classified as homicide in some countries. Over 200 such cases occur in England and Wales each year.
    38. In France, Switzerland and several other countries, attempts and completed homicides are treated as a single statistical unit and can be separated out only by special enquiry.
    39. The variables created by the factors listed above could be either eliminated or controlled-for in a thorough study. Other variables are much more difficult to eliminate or balance. Social, ethnic, historical and geographical factors have been shown to be extremely important, and police efficiency, arrest rates and sentencing policies which differ from country to country may be important in some classes of homicide, but are less important in others.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    We could also say that scapegoating is what they do best.
    Leaping, hooting, and pointing fingers has been well mastered by most of them.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Leaping, hooting, and pointing fingers has been well mastered by most of them.
    Well, it could be worse. We could be like some foreign countries where they actually fight and throw things at one another. We haven't devolved to that point yet, so there's a silver lining in the cloud. Lol!

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    It was talking to posters like yourself that made me realise that gun control wouldn't;t work in the US like it does in other countries. Hidden factors like the drug war, diverse landscape/population etc would make it almost impossible to enforce and previously was something I never took into consideration.
    Just like prohibition and the war on drugs didn't work. There would just be a bigger black market for illegal weapons, and then that creates more violent crimes.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Banning something has never been a viable solution and fails every time. I have a friend who is a public defender in CO and he is ardent believer in the 2nd Amendment, he says there have been plenty of cases (with which he was a part of) in which people have successfully defended themselves from criminals using their guns.

    Also, this incident highlights the fact that cops will not come to your aid until after the deed has been done so leaving yourself unarmed and expecting the police to help every time is not only naive but stupid.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Just like prohibition and the war on drugs didn't work. There would just be a bigger black market for illegal weapons, and then that creates more violent crimes.
    But like I said that doesn't mean gun control has failed in other countries. Different strokes for different folks.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    But like I said that doesn't mean gun control has failed in other countries. Different strokes for different folks.
    Okay, that's fine. I don't usually go starting threads about another country's gun policies, or lack thereof. Honestly, I'm really only interested in the US and that our government follows the Constitution and doesn't violate our citizen rights. It's just nice to point out the hypocrisy of the pro control crowd sometimes.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Let's see if I have this right -- some Islamist terrorists intent on mass murder use knives to kill 27 and injure 109, and so instead of showing any sympathy for the victims or discussing the nature of the ideology that drives them to kill, people wish they had unfettered access to more dangerous, longer ranged weapons so as to up the body count considerably.

    That sure sounds pretty effed up to me.
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