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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    mmm flawed study and do you know how low our homisice rates are in comparison to the US are?
    What flaws are those? Please be specific.

    You might find this interesting too. The part I quoted is just a VERY small part, and explains just a bit as to why statistics will vary from country to country. It's very informative about gun control in the GB.

    House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

    CROSS SECTIONAL ANALYSES

    34. In terms of the relationship between gun ownership and homicide, cross sectional analyses, comparing one country with another or comparing groups of countries, create enormous problems because of the huge number of variables that may exist. The simpler of these variables are the different methods of defining and counting the number of firearms. Only those firearms which have been declared to the authorities can be counted. In some countries, licenses are required for almost all classes of firearms, including antiques and air weapons. In other countries, the term antique is extended to cover items considered to be subject to license elsewhere, and many classes of shotgun and rifle are not controlled so are not countable.
    35. Homicide statistics too vary widely. In some developing countries, the statistics are known to be far from complete. Figures for crimes labelled as homicide in various countries are simply not comparable. Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction, or where the person is not prosecuted on grounds of self defence or otherwise. This reduces the apparent number of homicides by between 13 per cent and 15 per cent. The adjustment is made only in respect of figures shown in one part of the Annual Criminal Statistics. In another part relating to the use of firearms, no adjustment is made. A table of the number of homicides in which firearms were used in England and Wales will therefore differ according to which section of the annual statistics was used as its base. Similarly in statistics relating to the use of firearms, a homicide will be recorded where the firearm was used as a blunt instrument, but in the specific homicide statistics, that case will be shown under "blunt instrument".
    36. Many countries, including the United States, do not adjust their statistics down in that way and their figures include cases of self defence, killings by police and justifiable homicides. In Portugal, cases in which the cause of death is unknown are included in the homicide figures, inflating the apparent homicide rate very considerably.
    37. Causing death by dangerous driving is not classed as homicide in England and Wales, but is classified as homicide in some countries. Over 200 such cases occur in England and Wales each year.
    38. In France, Switzerland and several other countries, attempts and completed homicides are treated as a single statistical unit and can be separated out only by special enquiry.
    39. The variables created by the factors listed above could be either eliminated or controlled-for in a thorough study. Other variables are much more difficult to eliminate or balance. Social, ethnic, historical and geographical factors have been shown to be extremely important, and police efficiency, arrest rates and sentencing policies which differ from country to country may be important in some classes of homicide, but are less important in others.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I seriously doubt that the 27 dead people will be recovering anytime soon.

    China sounds like another dangerous place.

    I wonder where all of the police were when this massacre was going on. Do Chinese cops eat donuts?
    I said all victims, the family members of the deceased are also victims; hence, all a speedy recovery.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Maybe we need to do something about the crazy people.

    Any ideas on that?
    Certainly but nobody wants to talk about the reasons for the crazies, they just want to treat the symptoms.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Certainly but nobody wants to talk about the reasons for the crazies, they just want to treat the symptom
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    Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

    Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

    And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

    Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

    And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.
    China hasn't made the problem go away either, which proves that a strong and autocratic government isn't the answer.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Correct, but treating the symptoms doesn't make the problem go away.

    Every morning when we wake up, there are more dead people all over the USA.

    And I'm not talking about people dying from natural causes.
    No it doesn't but often, it's easier for people to pretend to be handling the problem, especially for politicians, than to actually handle the problem.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No it doesn't but often, it's easier for people to pretend to be handling the problem, especially for politicians, than to actually handle the problem.
    Isn't pretending to handle the problem what politicians do best?

    When they try to actually handle the problem, they have a tendency to make things worse.
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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Isn't pretending to handle the problem what politicians do best?

    When they try to actually handle the problem, they have a tendency to make things worse.
    We could also say that scapegoating is what they do best.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Oh look, an isolated incident in a completely different country with stricter gun regulation. I guess gun control doesn't work after all.

    What if I presented an incident where a knifing incident didn't kill anybody? 22 Kids Slashed in China Elementary School Knife Attack - ABC News

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What flaws are those? Please be specific.

    You might find this interesting too. The part I quoted is just a VERY small part, and explains just a bit as to why statistics will vary from country to country. It's very informative about gun control in the GB.

    House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

    Flaws being that we already had a lot of gun control in place before the eventual complete ban of handguns so you can't draw a line like that.
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