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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    1) Guns are more convenient and more deadly than knives
    Completely false. Knives and bullets all have different characteristics, big knives can create a larger wound and often a "dirtier" wound channel than a typical ball round would. Knives are easier to conceal until the last minute. The difference is range.
    2) Knives have multiple uses. Gun's only use is to either kill, injure, or threaten
    This is completely false. Guns can be used for anything to be done with range such as plinking, hunting, defensive use and many times just producing a gun will disengage an assailant, it can be used for predator control.

    3) If the argument for owning guns is that guns deter violence, you can also argue that even more deadly weapons (RPG's, chemical weapons, etc) could do an even better job at deterring violence, but an overwhelming majority of people, including pro-gun supporters, would agree that these weapons should not be made available to the public.
    And this argument is really just beat to death. It's time for people to retire it, a gun and an RPG are completely different, as are chemical weapons.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the minute he decided to do harm, no
    Well yeah, but did he purchase his gun legally? For some reason, I didn't think he did.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Completely false. Knives and bullets all have different characteristics, big knives can create a larger wound and often a "dirtier" wound channel than a typical ball round would. Knives are easier to conceal until the last minute. The difference is range.
    This is completely false. Guns can be used for anything to be done with range such as plinking, hunting, defensive use and many times just producing a gun will disengage an assailant, it can be used for predator control.

    And this argument is really just beat to death. It's time for people to retire it, a gun and an RPG are completely different, as are chemical weapons.
    Good points, especially the bold part.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well yeah, but did he purchase his gun legally? For some reason, I didn't think he did.
    I thought he sort of did but if he purchased for the purpose of criminal attack, he can be charged with that even if he passed the background check



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    1) Guns are more convenient and more deadly than knives
    2) Knives have multiple uses. Gun's only use is to either kill, injure, or threaten
    3) If the argument for owning guns is that guns deter violence, you can also argue that even more deadly weapons (RPG's, chemical weapons, etc) could do an even better job at deterring violence, but an overwhelming majority of people, including pro-gun supporters, would agree that these weapons should not be made available to the public.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why is everyone who wants to limit guns far left?
    Isn't it funny how they concentrate on the small tiny minority of people who purchased a gun legally and committed a crime with it, and completely ignore all of those who have illegal weapons and commit crimes with them every day.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Annually the claim was gun control doesn't work based off this one horrific attack, if that is true their annual homicide rate should be just as high as Americas given the fact they have a much larger population.

    It's also worth pointing out that being allowed to own and carry firearms hasn't stopped mass murder in the US either on the contrary you have one of the worst murder rates in the world.
    This is the latest attack. There have been numerous knife mass attacks in China over the last year or so with double digit casualty counts, this one happened to involve more fatalities.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Isn't it funny how they concentrate on the small tiny minority of people who purchased a gun legally and committed a crime with it, and completely ignore all of those who have illegal weapons and commit crimes with them every day.
    that's because their goal is to get rid of legal gun ownership and with it the pro gun groups that give lots of money and votes to non socialist politicians



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    schools, cinemas, malls, military bases, navy yards...People don't seem to picky.
    Cinemas and malls are privately owned, and most are firearms prohibited premises(Holmes drove across town to a cinema further from his house which was gun prohibited, the closest one was not). Schools, military bases, and Navy yards are gun free zones, only authorized personnel such as MPs or certain officers may carry.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's because their goal is to get rid of legal gun ownership and with it the pro gun groups that give lots of money and votes to non socialist politicians
    Sometimes probably, but sometimes they're just big wimps who cry and whine "guns are bad, guns are evil" while completely IGNORING the person behind the trigger who is necessary to operate the gun. It's annoying sometimes.

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