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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    This is an old argument, and obviously there is no perfect solution, but considering how many "law abiding" gun owners are committing fatal and non-fatal shootings, you can no longer only fear criminals.
    Well, why don't you post us some statistics on that?

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, why don't you post us some statistics on that?
    James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson gunman who shot Rep. Giffords, Stephen Phillip Kazmierczak the Northern Illinois University gunman and Seung Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman who all passed their background checks. Michael Dunn killed a man for playing music too loudly. Bruce Pardo, dressed as Santa Claus and killed nine people on Christmas Eve in California. Richard Poplawski, killed three Pittsburgh police officers. Jiverly Voong killed 13 in Binghamton, NY. All had clean records, all law-abiding.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson gunman who shot Rep. Giffords, Stephen Phillip Kazmierczak the Northern Illinois University gunman and Seung Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman who all passed their background checks. Michael Dunn killed a man for playing music too loudly. Bruce Pardo, dressed as Santa Claus and killed nine people on Christmas Eve in California. Richard Poplawski, killed three Pittsburgh police officers. Jiverly Voong killed 13 in Binghamton, NY. All had clean records, all law-abiding.
    Those were all legal gun owners? I don't think so. Also, this is not a link, and that many people does not account for a "lot of people" relatively speaking.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    1) I've been hunting. We usually shoot the animal and kill it. So when I said guns are used to shoot and injure, what part of that did you not understand?
    2) The effectiveness of chemical weapons or RPG's was not in question. The point was that you can apply the same argument to more dangerous weapons, i.e. that we should be allowed to own them, especially if your justification is that we need guns to protect us from the government
    I have shot over 500,000 rounds in competition or raining.

    try again. chemical weapons are pretty crappy self defense weapons or weapons for use by patriots in populated areas



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    James Holmes, Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson gunman who shot Rep. Giffords, Stephen Phillip Kazmierczak the Northern Illinois University gunman and Seung Cho, the Virginia Tech gunman who all passed their background checks. Michael Dunn killed a man for playing music too loudly. Bruce Pardo, dressed as Santa Claus and killed nine people on Christmas Eve in California. Richard Poplawski, killed three Pittsburgh police officers. Jiverly Voong killed 13 in Binghamton, NY. All had clean records, all law-abiding.
    clean records-yes, Law abiding NO. most of those people bought weapons with the intent to use ten illegally. that is a felony.

    what is your solution-prior restraint.



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Those were all legal gun owners? I don't think so. Also, this is not a link, and that many people does not account for a "lot of people" relatively speaking.
    more than 75% of all murders are committed by people who cannot legally own firearms. Its also true about those who are murdered.



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Holy **** man, what's with China and knife attacks?

    Anyway, hope for a safe recovery for the survivors.
    It's one of the few weapons they can get. IIRC the only firearms allowed are to military and party members there, but I know they have some of the more severe gun laws on the planet.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    clean records-yes, Law abiding NO. most of those people bought weapons with the intent to use ten illegally. that is a felony.

    what is your solution-prior restraint.
    Was Loughner a legal gun owner?

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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by theaterofdreams View Post
    1) Fair enough, though the primary and overwhelming purpose of guns is as I stated, to kill, injure, or threaten violence.
    2) I made no mention about self-defense in my second point. I was talking about the disparity between the arms we are allowed to own, and the weapons the government has, and could use against us. You can argue that the 2nd amendment could be interpreted to allow private citizens to own any contemporary weapon system.
    3) As far as self-defense goes, I'm not sure how many shooting deaths we need in this country before people realize more guns is not the solution. We have women getting shot in the face after being in a car accident, mentally ill people being shot by police for no reason, simple fist fights escalating to fatal shootings. At what point do guns start saving lives because I think we're all still waiting.
    why is everyone who wants to limit guns far left?



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    Re: Train station knife attack kills 27, injures 109 in China

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Was Loughner a legal gun owner?
    the minute he decided to do harm, no



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