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"A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-orders-kentucky-recognize-same-sex-marriages-003438666--finance.html


How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.
 
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Four things that Americans seem to obsess over these days...homosexuality, 'race', income 'inequality' and terrorism.

America would be a far better place (IMO) if Americans just stop caring about the first two (I.e. Equal rights for lesbians/gays and stop caring how much melanin is in others' skin) and stopped worrying so much about the last two.
 
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"A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-orders-kentucky-recognize-same-sex-marriages-003438666--finance.html


How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.

Yep, and one is already here to bemoan that we care about the equality of others.
 
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Four things that Americans seem to obsess over these days...homosexuality, 'race', income 'inequality' and terrorism.

America would be a far better place (IMO) if Americans just stop caring about the first two (I.e. Equal rights for lesbians/gays and stop caring how much melanin is in others' skin) and stopped worrying so much about the last two.

People will stop caring about equal rights when we have equal rights.
 
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Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.

14th amendment also applies. States have plenty of power, just not the power to treat their citizens unequally. Sorry this bothers you so much.
 
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14th amendment also applies. States have plenty of power, just not the power to treat their citizens unequally. Sorry this bothers you so much.

Actually no that judges ruling is violation of the constitution. another state cannot tell another state what to do. this is in the 10th amendment.

this judges ruling is in direct violation of the 10th amendment.

even if you pass gay marriage my state is under non obligation to acknowledge that as based on constitutional law.
 
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People will stop caring about equal rights when we have equal rights.

I said nothing about 'denying equal rights'.

I said 'obsess' - meaning that whether or not gays/lesbians should have equal rights is ridiculous...of course they should.

If Americans stopped caring about other people's sexual preferences - then they also would not go out of their way to deny them rights based on this in the first place...thus end of problem.
 
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Poor Kentucky.
 
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Poor Kentucky.

poor unconstitutional ruling. i think we should feel worse over that than anything else. a judge just violated the constitution and no one seems to care.
i think that is more important than if someone can marry.
 
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poor unconstitutional ruling. i think we should feel worse over that than anything else. a judge just violated the constitution and no one seems to care.
i think that is more important than if someone can marry.

You seem to care, that's sure. Maybe it's just that no-one agrees with you. Maybe you're the only voice of reason in a cacophony of constitutional philistines.


(snicker!)
 
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We simply need to rid our society of religion. It has always been behind when it comes to the evolving state of morals in our society. From slavery, to womens rights, to gay rights... religion has always fought against them until they had no choice to accept them.
 
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Actually no that judges ruling is violation of the constitution. another state cannot tell another state what to do. this is in the 10th amendment.

this judges ruling is in direct violation of the 10th amendment.

even if you pass gay marriage my state is under non obligation to acknowledge that as based on constitutional law.


Riddle me this lu..

If a couple from a state that allows cousin marriages moves to a state that does not allow cousin marriages -- does the state that legally wed cousin marriage couple moved to recognize that marriage as valid?

I might also recommend you introduce yourself to the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution.
 
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That's it. My marriage is finished.

I mean it this time.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

That's it. My marriage is finished.

I mean it this time.

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Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Four things that Americans seem to obsess over these days...homosexuality, 'race', income 'inequality' and terrorism.

America would be a far better place (IMO) if Americans just stop caring about the first two (I.e. Equal rights for lesbians/gays and stop caring how much melanin is in others' skin) and stopped worrying so much about the last two.

Better for whom?
 
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Well the floodgates are open and we no not what we've done. Death comes quickest to those that shine the brightest, its our destiny. I fear for my grand children.
 
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Filing for divorce...as...we...speak.

I hope you people are happy.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.

The 10th is alive and well, it gives those powers not delegated to the United States nor prohibited to the States to BOTH the states and people. Some who quote the 10th seem to think it ONLY gives rights/powers to the States if not granted to the feds. It by NO means approves of unconstitutional laws passed by state governments. A state that doesn't abide by the Constitution gets called out on it... the Judiciary doesn't rule us, it acts as a check to government over reach and government favoritism.

If the Ayatollahs have the power, abortion would be illegal, women would be stoned for adultery, and any worship not sanctioned by them would be illegal. Oh and the whole women can't go to school or go in public alone.... so that rhetoric is rather silly... :peace
 
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Riddle me this lu..

If a couple from a state that allows cousin marriages moves to a state that does not allow cousin marriages -- does the state that legally wed cousin marriage couple moved to recognize that marriage as valid?

I might also recommend you introduce yourself to the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution.

you might want to look at the 10th amendment.
you also might want to look that most states already out law this through incest laws.

From the court cases i have found which are few they all have been shot down as long as there was a statute that prohibited it.

so if you married your cousin in one state and then went to another state as long as the statue was in place it would be found void.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

The 10th is alive and well, it gives those powers not delegated to the United States nor prohibited to the States to BOTH the states and people. Some who quote the 10th seem to think it ONLY gives rights/powers to the States if not granted to the feds. It by NO means approves of unconstitutional laws passed by state governments. A state that doesn't abide by the Constitution gets called out on it... the Judiciary doesn't rule us, it acts as a check to government over reach and government favoritism.

If the Ayatollahs have the power, abortion would be illegal, women would be stoned for adultery, and any worship not sanctioned by them would be illegal. Oh and the whole women can't go to school or go in public alone.... so that rhetoric is rather silly... :peace

KY hasn't been ruled unconstitutional and the challenges that it is again is headed to the SCOTUS. the fact is a judge just ruled that a state can violate another states constitution. that is absolutely unconstitutional.
 
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Actually no that judges ruling is violation of the constitution. another state cannot tell another state what to do. this is in the 10th amendment. this judges ruling is in direct violation of the 10th amendment. even if you pass gay marriage my state is under non obligation to acknowledge that as based on constitutional law.

That will be a real interesting argument to make to the Supreme Court. The counter argument might be no state is telling another what to do, the suit isn't one state vs another but a couple as private citizens vs a state. The court isn't telling Kentucky to start issuing same sex couples marriage licenses, but they must respect valid SSM licenses, not unlike out of state drivers licenses.

(which will make an interesting situation when a CCL citizen goes to a state that doesn't permit concealed carry and sues for his license to be recognized)
 
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KY hasn't been ruled unconstitutional and the challenges that it is again is headed to the SCOTUS. the fact is a judge just ruled that a state can violate another states constitution. that is absolutely unconstitutional.

I was addressing his encompassing rant, not just one issue- that I do above....
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

That will be a real interesting argument to make to the Supreme Court. The counter argument might be no state is telling another what to do, the suit isn't one state vs another but a couple as private citizens vs a state. The court isn't telling Kentucky to start issuing same sex couples marriage licenses, but they must respect valid SSM licenses, not unlike out of state drivers licenses.

(which will make an interesting situation when a CCL citizen goes to a state that doesn't permit concealed carry and sues for his license to be recognized)

Actually it is. KY constitution sets marriage as a man and a women. if a couple go to VT and get married the judge says that KY has to acknowledge that marriage in violation of it's constitution.

that means that VT has power over the KY state and constitution. a judge ordered another state to violate it's own constitution based on the laws of another state.

I could careless about the whole gay marriage thing on this. this judge should be removed from the bench. his job is to uphold the constitution why can't judges remember this.
 
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you might want to look at the 10th amendment.
you also might want to look that most states already out law this through incest laws.

From the court cases i have found which are few they all have been shot down as long as there was a statute that prohibited it.

so if you married your cousin in one state and then went to another state as long as the statue was in place it would be found void.


First:
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State Laws on Marriage to Cousins

Twenty-four states prohibit marriages between first cousins. Twenty states and the District of Columbia allow cousins to marry; six states permit first-cousin marriage only under certain circumstances.

State Laws on Marriage to Cousins (washingtonpost.com)

Then:

"Of the twenty-six states that prohibit marriages between first cousins from being performed within the state, four permit such marriages to be recognized if the cousins were married in another state where their marriage was legal: Idaho, Ohio, Texas, and West Virginia. All of these states also explicitly prohibit the performance and recognition of same-sex marriages.

Idaho recognizes all of out-of-state marriages that do not violate the state’s public policy, as well as those that were entered into with the intent to evade the prohibitions of its marriage laws. Although it does not permit them, Idaho does not state that marriages between first cousins are contrary to its public policy. In Texas, marriages are presumed valid unless there is a strong policy reason for holding the marriage void or voidable.

Although Texas does not permit marriages between first cousins, it does recognize such marriages if they were valid where they were performed. West Virginia recognizes valid out-of-state marriages between first cousins, so long as the marriage was not entered into with the intent to evade the state’s own prohibition on such marriages.

- See more at: http://verdict.justia.com/2013/09/09/a-south-carolina-same-sex-marriage-challenge-and-predictions-as-to-the-outcome-of-future-litigation-in-this-area#sthash.9oPj9Ok4.dpuf"

So yes, some states do.
 
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