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U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Actually no that judges ruling is violation of the constitution. another state cannot tell another state what to do. this is in the 10th amendment.

this judges ruling is in direct violation of the 10th amendment.

even if you pass gay marriage my state is under non obligation to acknowledge that as based on constitutional law.

Again, equal protection applies. If your state recognizes out-of-state marriage certificates, it must also recognize out-of-state marriage certificates of same-sex couples. Equal protection under the law applies to gender-based distinctions.

You are wrong. The ruling is not unconstitutional, you just have no idea how the constitution works.
 
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I deem your question irrelevant to the discussion as it has nothing to do with the amendment in question...

Okay, well apparently a federal judge disagrees and Kentucky has to abide by it until further appeal. So it kinda seems like you're irrelevant at this point, actually.
 
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No one is ignoring Constitutional Amendments other than those ignoring the 10th...

The 14th amendment applies to states. A state can choose to not recognize any marriage, but if it chooses to recognize any marriage it must do so abiding by the 14th amendment. My state can't choose to ignore interracial marriages no matter how many times you scream about the 10th amendment.
 
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stacked hypotheticals are not arguments.

actually your hypothetical is wrong for even if you were a free black person in the north and went south they did not recognize that and you would be put on a plantation or some other work camp. at worst you would have been deemed a run away and shot or hanged right there.

you wouldn't have gotten a trial. so you are wrong they don't have to recognize you at all even with a paper.

uh lol?

yes, that probably would've happened, but we're talking about what's legal. Aren't you arguing about legality? Or do you not care? (Not an idle question, I often don't care about the law...is this one of those times for you? That's cool if it is, but then you can't cite things like the Constitution to back you up).
 
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"A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-orders-kentucky-recognize-same-sex-marriages-003438666--finance.html


How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.

This is far from a done deal my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens before they hatch.
 
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Four things that Americans seem to obsess over these days...homosexuality, 'race', income 'inequality' and terrorism.

America would be a far better place (IMO) if Americans just stop caring about the first two (I.e. Equal rights for lesbians/gays and stop caring how much melanin is in others' skin) and stopped worrying so much about the last two.

When it comes to gays and SSM I think most of us want equal rights for all we just don't want the definition of marriage or as us Roman Catholics call it Holy Matrimony changed.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

The 14th amendment applies to states. A state can choose to not recognize any marriage, but if it chooses to recognize any marriage it must do so abiding by the 14th amendment. My state can't choose to ignore interracial marriages no matter how many times you scream about the 10th amendment.

Why do you lefties keep citing the 14th amendment when it says absolutely nothing about marriage?
 
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Why do you lefties keep citing the 14th amendment when it says absolutely nothing about marriage?

maybe because it says

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

14th Amendment | Constitution | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.

I'm sure they said the same exact thing with Virginia v Loving. And yet.....
 
"A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-orders-kentucky-recognize-same-sex-marriages-003438666--finance.html


How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.

Here in Louisville, this has been mostly celebrated as our state growing up and leaving the backwoods to walk into town. My city has jokingly wished to become a new state...just to be disassociated with Kentucky inbreeding.


If you get a divorce in Kentucky, is she still yer sister?
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

People will stop caring about equal rights when we have equal rights.

Bunch of whiners.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.

That is quite a metaphor salad you've put together there. But the fact remains states can't decide not to honor legally married people because they think it is icky. That isn't the end of state government, it could be a reduction in state-sponsored bigotry.
 
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When it comes to gays and SSM I think most of us want equal rights for all we just don't want the definition of marriage or as us Roman Catholics call it Holy Matrimony changed.

Sounds like a religious thing. Something outside the scope of American government anyway.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Actually it is. KY constitution sets marriage as a man and a women. if a couple go to VT and get married the judge says that KY has to acknowledge that marriage in violation of it's constitution.

that means that VT has power over the KY state and constitution. a judge ordered another state to violate it's own constitution based on the laws of another state.

I could careless about the whole gay marriage thing on this. this judge should be removed from the bench. his job is to uphold the constitution why can't judges remember this.

Here is a rewrite of the same sentiment, circa 1966.

Alabama constitution sets marriage as between members of the same race. if a couple go to Oregon and get married the judge says that Alabama has to acknowledge that marriage in violation of it's constitution.

that means that Oregon has power over the Alabama state and constitution. a judge ordered another state to violate it's own constitution based on the laws of another state.​


Actually happened, Oregon repealed it's anti-miscegenation in 1955, Alabama amended their discrimination into their Constitution and it remained there until overturned by court action (Loving v. Virginia, SCOTUS, 1967).


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stacked hypotheticals are not arguments. actually your hypothetical is wrong for even if you were a free black person in the north and went south they did not recognize that and you would be put on a plantation or some other work camp. at worst you would have been deemed a run away and shot or hanged right there. you wouldn't have gotten a trial. so you are wrong they don't have to recognize you at all even with a paper. doesn't matter he still violated the 10th amendment federal judge or not.

Actually you have it incorrect, a trend I am detecting here. The Southern ahhhh 'Gentleman' would have to falsify a court document to claim I am HIS runaway slave, not A runaway slave- there is no automatic seizure. Now I will agree the South has a history of playing fast and loose with the law when it comes to matters of race, but BY LAW my birth certificate from the Great State of Michigan makes me a free negro in Kentucky, unless a Slave owner in Kentucky lies in an affidavit and we all know Southern Gentlemen have a high moral code... ;)

Another place you are incorrect- you seem to think the last phrase in the 10th Amendment doesn't exist. Maybe you have a bad copy of the Constitution, mine ends the 10th with "or to the people." You seem to think the 10th only reserves undocumented Rights to the State, or perhaps you think the States get to decide what undocumented Rights the private citizens are allowed.... :confused:
 
"A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-orders-kentucky-recognize-same-sex-marriages-003438666--finance.html


How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.

Seems to me this has far-reaching implications. Gun laws, for instance. If I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, why is it not reciprocal in Illinois? If one state allows polygamy, must all states recognize those marriages? Personally, I think this was a mistake.
 
Seems to me this has far-reaching implications. Gun laws, for instance. If I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, why is it not reciprocal in Illinois?

Not the correct analogy. Since the basis of not recognizing the marriages was gender (as in the gender composition of the couple) the analogy would have to include gender. It would be if I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, and Illinois recognizes open-carry licenses from Texas why can they only accept those for males but not recognize them for females.

See it's not Illinois doesn't recognize open-carry from Texas, they do - but only certain ones. Just as with Civil Marriage licenes, only recognizing certain ones.

If one state allows polygamy, must all states recognize those marriages? Personally, I think this was a mistake.

That will be an interesting question. Why? Because there is no compelling government interest in treating a Civilly Married couple based on gender (a 1:1 relationship) - there are valid reasons against polygamy (a 1:N [one to many]) in the realm of Civil Marriage.



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Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

When it comes to gays and SSM I think most of us want equal rights for all we just don't want the definition of marriage or as us Roman Catholics call it Holy Matrimony changed.

But you were completely ok with it being changed when it fit your "marriage" right Navy? What a hypocrite.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

This is far from a done deal my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens before they hatch.

Oh.....its a done deal Navy. Just a handful of bigots hanging on and desperately clinging to their last vestiges of discrimination. America has grown up.....its time to get on board.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

This is far from a done deal my left wing friend...I would not count my chickens before they hatch.

Oh...its definitely a done deal at this point. Just a handful of bigots still desperately clinging to their last vestiges of discrimination. Most of America has grown up and moved on.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

These arguments about judicial rulings are ridiculous. "That judge should be disbarred for disregarding the constitution.".. Let me let you in on a little secret. For all intents and purposes, the constitution is what the federal judiciary says it is. What some Joe Blow thinks about what is constitutional or not is irrelevant. The ultimate arbiters of what is or is not constitutional is the federal judiciary. In this case, Judge Heyburn stated this:

“In the end, the Court concludes that Kentucky’s denial of recognition for valid same-sex marriages violates the United States Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law, even under the most deferential standard of review. Accordingly, Kentucky’s statutes and constitutional amendment that mandate this denial are unconstitutional,”

Judge Heyburn is a federal judge, so unless his ruling is overturned by a higher court, then Kentucky's denial of recognition for valid same-sex marriages is unconstitutional regardless of what anyone else thinks. That is how our system of government works.
 
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Bunch of whiners.

I agree, those anti-SSM people are whiners.
 
Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

Well the floodgates are open and we no not what we've done. Death comes quickest to those that shine the brightest, its our destiny. I fear for my grand children.

So do I
 
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