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    Re: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    "A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


    U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
    https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-order...--finance.html


    How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

    Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.
    Here in Louisville, this has been mostly celebrated as our state growing up and leaving the backwoods to walk into town. My city has jokingly wished to become a new state...just to be disassociated with Kentucky inbreeding.


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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    People will stop caring about equal rights when we have equal rights.
    Bunch of whiners.
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bunch of whiners.
    Oh......the Irony.

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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Kiss the tenth and the United STATES of America goodbye. The fed rules all now, might as well just get rid of state's governments. Not brought to us by the Constitution, the Executive or the Legislative Branch, but by the Judiciary Branch which now rule us. The Ayatollahs have the power, the People are just along for the ride.

    May be a victory for some, throwing the baby out with the bath water, but it's a textbook pyrrhic victory.
    That is quite a metaphor salad you've put together there. But the fact remains states can't decide not to honor legally married people because they think it is icky. That isn't the end of state government, it could be a reduction in state-sponsored bigotry.

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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    When it comes to gays and SSM I think most of us want equal rights for all we just don't want the definition of marriage or as us Roman Catholics call it Holy Matrimony changed.
    Sounds like a religious thing. Something outside the scope of American government anyway.
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    Actually it is. KY constitution sets marriage as a man and a women. if a couple go to VT and get married the judge says that KY has to acknowledge that marriage in violation of it's constitution.

    that means that VT has power over the KY state and constitution. a judge ordered another state to violate it's own constitution based on the laws of another state.

    I could careless about the whole gay marriage thing on this. this judge should be removed from the bench. his job is to uphold the constitution why can't judges remember this.
    Here is a rewrite of the same sentiment, circa 1966.

    Alabama constitution sets marriage as between members of the same race. if a couple go to Oregon and get married the judge says that Alabama has to acknowledge that marriage in violation of it's constitution.

    that means that Oregon has power over the Alabama state and constitution. a judge ordered another state to violate it's own constitution based on the laws of another state.


    Actually happened, Oregon repealed it's anti-miscegenation in 1955, Alabama amended their discrimination into their Constitution and it remained there until overturned by court action (Loving v. Virginia, SCOTUS, 1967).


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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    stacked hypotheticals are not arguments. actually your hypothetical is wrong for even if you were a free black person in the north and went south they did not recognize that and you would be put on a plantation or some other work camp. at worst you would have been deemed a run away and shot or hanged right there. you wouldn't have gotten a trial. so you are wrong they don't have to recognize you at all even with a paper. doesn't matter he still violated the 10th amendment federal judge or not.
    Actually you have it incorrect, a trend I am detecting here. The Southern ahhhh 'Gentleman' would have to falsify a court document to claim I am HIS runaway slave, not A runaway slave- there is no automatic seizure. Now I will agree the South has a history of playing fast and loose with the law when it comes to matters of race, but BY LAW my birth certificate from the Great State of Michigan makes me a free negro in Kentucky, unless a Slave owner in Kentucky lies in an affidavit and we all know Southern Gentlemen have a high moral code...

    Another place you are incorrect- you seem to think the last phrase in the 10th Amendment doesn't exist. Maybe you have a bad copy of the Constitution, mine ends the 10th with "or to the people." You seem to think the 10th only reserves undocumented Rights to the State, or perhaps you think the States get to decide what undocumented Rights the private citizens are allowed....

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    Re: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    "A U.S. judge ordered Kentucky on Thursday to recognize the legal same-sex marriages of residents who wed elsewhere, the latest in a string of court victories for gay rights advocates.


    U.S. District Judge John G. Heyburn II said the Kentucky laws that deny the marriages of same-sex couples "violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, and they are void and unenforceable."
    https://news.yahoo.com/u-judge-order...--finance.html


    How many states does this make it? I'm losing track. It seems like a couple a week now. And so many red states. Ouch.

    Bad couple of months for the anti-equality crowd.
    Seems to me this has far-reaching implications. Gun laws, for instance. If I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, why is it not reciprocal in Illinois? If one state allows polygamy, must all states recognize those marriages? Personally, I think this was a mistake.

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    Re: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Seems to me this has far-reaching implications. Gun laws, for instance. If I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, why is it not reciprocal in Illinois?
    Not the correct analogy. Since the basis of not recognizing the marriages was gender (as in the gender composition of the couple) the analogy would have to include gender. It would be if I have a license to open-carry a gun in Texas, and Illinois recognizes open-carry licenses from Texas why can they only accept those for males but not recognize them for females.

    See it's not Illinois doesn't recognize open-carry from Texas, they do - but only certain ones. Just as with Civil Marriage licenes, only recognizing certain ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If one state allows polygamy, must all states recognize those marriages? Personally, I think this was a mistake.
    That will be an interesting question. Why? Because there is no compelling government interest in treating a Civilly Married couple based on gender (a 1:1 relationship) - there are valid reasons against polygamy (a 1:N [one to many]) in the realm of Civil Marriage.



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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    When it comes to gays and SSM I think most of us want equal rights for all we just don't want the definition of marriage or as us Roman Catholics call it Holy Matrimony changed.
    But you were completely ok with it being changed when it fit your "marriage" right Navy? What a hypocrite.
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