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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well...you said one state can ignore another's adherence to the 14th amendment, so I was wondering what other amendments worked in a similar fashion.
    My first post was to you. I had made no other...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    My first post was to you. I had made no other...
    Yeah, sorry, I edited it. I assumed it was ludin that answered, and the girlfriend was yapping at me.
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yeah, sorry, I edited it. I assumed it was ludin that answered, and the girlfriend was yapping at me.
    Do States no longer have any rights?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    And Scotus Blog adds even more:

    "Moveover, like DOMA’s Section 3, the discrimination legitimized by Section 2 and practiced by the majority of states is of an “unusual character.” All states currently recognize the vast majority of marriages celebrated in other states, not as a constitutional requirement (the conventional wisdom is that the Full Faith and Credit Clause doesn’t apply here) but as a matter of comity and common sense. Accordingly, individual states have long recognized marriages – common-law, first-cousin, even uncle-niece – that they themselves would not have created. Mini-DOMAs simply carve out a gay/lesbian exception to this longstanding rule.

    Whatever federalism-based respect we must continue giving states in deciding whether to create same-sex marriages, these states have no humane, reasonable, or even coherent interest in demanding the continued power to sunder the unions of couples who are already married. If, by creating a same-sex marriage, a state invokes its “historic and essential authority” to confer “dignity and status of immense import,” as the Court told us today, then requiring sister states to recognize that marriage is the price of living in a federal system of equal sovereigns."

    Next on the agenda for marriage equality litigators

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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Do States no longer have any rights?
    Well, that's what I'm asking. Do they have the right to ignore amendments?
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Well, that's what I'm asking. Do they have the right to ignore amendments?
    States shall have all powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government. It's rather simple until the courts get involved...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    States shall have all powers not specifically delegated to the Federal government. It's rather simple until the courts get involved...
    So they get to ignore the 14th, okay. Are there any other amendments they can ignore? That was my question.
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So they get to ignore the 14th, okay. Are there any other amendments they can ignore? That was my question.
    To what specifically are you referring? Is it that you don't agree with some States' voters decisions?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The 10th is alive and well, it gives those powers not delegated to the United States nor prohibited to the States to BOTH the states and people. Some who quote the 10th seem to think it ONLY gives rights/powers to the States if not granted to the feds. It by NO means approves of unconstitutional laws passed by state governments. A state that doesn't abide by the Constitution gets called out on it... the Judiciary doesn't rule us, it acts as a check to government over reach and government favoritism.

    If the Ayatollahs have the power, abortion would be illegal, women would be stoned for adultery, and any worship not sanctioned by them would be illegal. Oh and the whole women can't go to school or go in public alone.... so that rhetoric is rather silly...
    i'm glad you noted "respectively, or to the people" as the end of the 10th's language.

    I am a bit confused -this is a US judge - not a state judge right? So a US judge can issue a ruling, but is the state bound by it ?
    I would think so -as state law is subservient to fed;l law. though the state would prolly appeal.

    in practicality all this has to go to SCOTUS - and I'm fairly sure it will - gotta be a lot of appeals headed their way, and they would have to hear the case.

    * gotta get some sleep - early work weekend coming up* - maybe think clearer after work tomorrow.

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    Re: And another one down: U.S. judge orders Kentucky to recognize same-sex marriages

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    To what specifically are you referring?
    I'm referring to them ignoring the 14th. Are there any other amendments they can ignore? It's a yes or no question.

    Is it that you don't agree with some States' voters decisions?
    Oh, I'm sure I don't. Do you agree with every states' voters decisions? That's like 300+ million people to agree with, all the time.
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