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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Here is my take. Remember when McCain addressed the woman who claimed that Obama was not an American. Do you think that will happen in 2014 elections? I don't
    If you're trying to confuse me - you've succeeded. How did McCain get into this conversation? How did Obama get in this conversation?

    Q. How about republican presidential hopefuls. Have they condemned this blatant blasphemy
    A. IDK.
    Q. Have they? Q.Did anyone ask them? Q. What was their response?
    A. "Here is my take. Remember when McCain addressed the woman who claimed that Obama was not an American. Do you think that will happen in 2014 elections? I don't"

    In 2014 I predict that a woman will claim that Obama is not an American. Of course, I could be wrong. Women are so unpredictable.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    If you're trying to confuse me - you've succeeded. How did McCain get into this conversation? How did Obama get in this conversation?

    Q. How about republican presidential hopefuls. Have they condemned this blatant blasphemy
    A. IDK.
    Q. Have they? Q.Did anyone ask them? Q. What was their response?
    A. "Here is my take. Remember when McCain addressed the woman who claimed that Obama was not an American. Do you think that will happen in 2014 elections? I don't"

    In 2014 I predict that a woman will claim that Obama is not an American. Of course, I could be wrong. Women are so unpredictable.
    I think we are on different posts. Have a nice evening
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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I think we are on different posts. Have a nice evening
    Apparently. You have a nice evening also.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Too bad that it's an incoherent code. It is the incoherence which makes it unworkable.

    The Left is already at work trying to cook up a "right" to be not be offended. This is the handmaiden to the "right" to not be discriminated against. The "right" to not be offended is exercised within the realm of speech and the "right" to not be discriminated against is exercised within the realm of associations.

    For both rights to exist, they require that actual rights, those of free speech and free association, be abandoned. For a person to not be offended by me requires that I privilege their feelings over my own right to speak my mind. For a person to not be discriminated against by me requires that I associate with this person when my own preference is not to associate with that person.

    Women are really going to be pissed off when you liberal totalitarians start forcing them to see male gynecologists instead of female gynecologists because you object to the sexual discrimination that they direct at male physicians.
    There is nothing incoherent about that code, discrimination is forbidden, there can be nothing more crystal clear.

    You and I have very differing opinions about freedom of speech. I think that there can be limits to freedom of speech. For example that church that disturbs funerals of US soldiers that have fallen in Afghanistan is allowed to do so based on freedom of speech. For me that goes too far, that is not freedom of speech but their right impedes the rights of those at the funeral ground.

    In my opinion freedom of speech should not be absolute when it break the more dominant rights of others. And I am not talking about someone in the privacy of their own house spewing the most awful racist or bigoted opinions, not my cup of tea but if someone wants to do that so be it. At an meeting of like minded people they can spew that opinion too as far as I care. But, when they call for violence or go onto the streets and confront the "victims of their bigotry" and start insulting and threatening them, then the freedom of speech should have it's limits.

    But that is my opinion for my country and other countries that have the same basic views on this. In the US the "left" can cook up what they want they cannot get past the SCOTUS.

    And the right to choose your own doctor has nothing to do with sexual discrimination. There is a personal preference if a woman prefers a female gynecologist rather than a male one. Sexual discrimination would only come into play if a hospital refuses to hire male gynecologists purely for the reason that they are male rather than female.
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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Not really, its the reason don't ask don't tell worked so well to ease the concerns of straight soldiers
    DADT didn't work. It made some servicemembers remain willfully ignorant of the reality around them. We all knew who was gay and who wasn't. Heck, my department could identify them right off. Guess what? No one cared. Even my husband's Marine units could identify who was gay most of the time, and still went out in the field with them. Why? Because you can't prove someone is gay by simply looking at them. In fact, even if they look at you when you are naked doesn't prove they are gay. And harassment is harassment, no matter if a person is gay or straight, and can happen to and from anyone, gay or straight.
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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL | The Raw Story



    Classic. The GOP slowly sliding into an irrelevant regional party based upon hate. May God have mercy on their souls.
    Sincé when do lobbyists draft legislation? I thought elected lawmakers do that.

    How can a lobbyist be a GOP lobbyist?

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    What a stupid idea! Pretty sure it isn't even close to being constitutional. DADT for the NFL. Please. If DADT was repealed for the military, there is no way that Congress can or will enact it for a private league. It is in no way the government's place to do such a thing. I don't care how the guy wants to push it, it is not the government's place to do it. I'm not even sure it would be okay for the teams/league to do the proposed on their own. Private showers/stalls would be one thing, but separate facilities that single out/separate players by sexuality is discrimination.
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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    if this is not a joke, its very troubling as usual, of politicians who believe they have power to control things which are not a delegated power.
    It'll never pass. Stop with the fear mongering.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    What a stupid idea! Pretty sure it isn't even close to being constitutional. DADT for the NFL. Please. If DADT was repealed for the military, there is no way that Congress can or will enact it for a private league. It is in no way the government's place to do such a thing. I don't care how the guy wants to push it, it is not the government's place to do it. I'm not even sure it would be okay for the teams/league to do the proposed on their own. Private showers/stalls would be one thing, but separate facilities that single out/separate players by sexuality is discrimination.
    It won't pass. What's the big deal?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It won't pass. What's the big deal?
    Expression of opinion. And I feel people like Jack Burkman (the guy who wrote this stupid legislation) need to be called out for their stupidity in doing stupid things like this. Doesn't matter if the only ones who see it know that it won't pass. The fact that he does apparently hold some political influence means that things like this should be brought up whenever he tries to flex that influence in other ways.
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