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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The fact that there is no such thing as "the Republican party" or "The Democrat Party" that is a monolith or deity, speaks volumes. If you want to condemn an entire party over one person's comments, then you must accept the apology of one person and I have a Republican friend who said that this bill was stupid. So, now what?

    Remember, everything is a 2 way street. Surely you're not so desperate that you can't accept that.

    Had this guy been a Democrat pushing a bill that allowed ONLY gay people to play in the Olympics, I would have posted the same defense. Let's play fair please. That's how you win debates...not by trying to be even more ridiculous than the original speaker, but by being realistic and noble of spirit.

    I hope you understand what I'm saying.
    It's not an isolated incident. It's part of a greater pattern. You're pretending it's an anomaly.
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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Sure, there and there are also countries that discriminate against Jews, catholics, blacks, etc. Just because they do does not mean that a civilized country that is ruled by laws and treaties can allow an organization to discriminate against gays.
    All those countries you imply are uncivilized are ruled by laws and treaties too. You're just parrotting soupy nonsense. And yes, Russia for instance. No doubt it's civilized and ruled by laws and treaty AND they do indeed discriminate against homosexuals.

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    And you might deny human rights, but luckily a lot of people in the US believe in human rights and so does the supreme court when it struck down anti-black laws. And didn't the USA ratify the International Covenant on Civil and Political rights?
    No to that last. And the UN's kumbayah meaningless in reality speech aside you really don't know much about the US do you? The Jim Crow laws were struck down by the SCOTUS because they violated CONSTITUTIONAL rights.

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    Civil rights should include the right not to be discriminated against due to onces sexual preference.
    No they shouldn't.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    The fact that the republican party does not speak out about these nut jobs speaks volumes.
    When was the last time some democrat spoke out against the Free Mumia set? It's just not necessary. Now, if they pick up the legislation and run with it, that's a different story. But why should they claim any ownership of a bill they had nothing to do with and do not intend to ever take up?

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It's not an isolated incident. It's part of a greater pattern. You're pretending it's an anomaly.

    The only real pattern is the attempt by tiny slivers of the population to make mountains out of pebbles. A perfect example is your OP. The lobbyist is not a "powerful GOP" guy, as the lie in the Raw Story's headline suggests, he's just a bit player of little consequence.

    When lies form the foundation of beliefs, there is nothing redeeming about the point, or the origin of it.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The only real pattern is the attempt by tiny slivers of the population to make mountains out of pebbles. A perfect example is your OP. The lobbyist is not a "powerful GOP" guy, as the lie in the Raw Story's headline suggests, he's just a bit player of little consequence.

    When lies form the foundation of beliefs, there is nothing redeeming about the point, or the origin of it.
    Once again, the AZ case, the KS case and the pending IN gay marriage ban shows that you are wrong that this is just a sliver of the population making a mountain out of pebbles. Its a signficiant part of the population. And they all seem to vote GOP.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Once again, the AZ case, the KS case and the pending IN gay marriage ban shows that you are wrong that this is just a sliver of the population making a mountain out of pebbles. Its a signficiant part of the population. And they all seem to vote GOP.
    No, I'm not wrong. You're bigotry doesn't change reality. California, arguably one of the most liberal states in the country, banned gay marriage via a vote to change the constitution. Although later overturned, the fact it passed speaks volumes.

    The issue is far more complex than the radicals are attempting to get miles from.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    So why do republicans say nothing about these comments. Like Nugent calling the pres a subhuman mongrel
    ••Are you claiming that no Republican criticized Mr. Nugent for his stupid comment? Or just not enough Republicans criticized him? How many does it take to respond to one known crackpot's remarks?

    Top Republicans Condemn Ted Nugent's "Subhuman Mongrel" Comment | Blog | Media Matters for America

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It's not an isolated incident. It's part of a greater pattern. You're pretending it's an anomaly.
    ••A "greater pattern"? Do you feel there is a conspiracy to make stupid and embarrassing remarks? Or do you consider the opposing party criticizing the other party to be something abnormal? If someone criticizes Obamacare, is that the same thing and part of the "pattern"? Criticizing your political opponent is pretty much normal IMHO. Using terms like "subhuman mongrel" is uniquely insulting and disgusting.

    I've criticized Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And Reagan. And Carter. And Johnson. Am I part of the pattern or am I exercising my right to disapprove or disagree?

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You define freedom as the right to deny others their freedom, I define freedom as the right for all to have the same right of freedom.
    America fought a Civil War to end Forced Association in the form of slavery. Perhaps you're not as sensitive to the issue of forced association as some Americans. You see, in America there is no such Right as Forced Association. What does exist is the Right to Free Association. Liberals hate this right and have been waging war on it and now they've also turned on Free Speech too, with their hate speech laws and speech codes at universities.

    There seems to be something dark in the heart of liberals.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    America fought a Civil War to end Forced Association in the form of slavery. Perhaps you're not as sensitive to the issue of forced association as some Americans. You see, in America there is no such Right as Forced Association. What does exist is the Right to Free Association. Liberals hate this right and have been waging war on it and now they've also turned on Free Speech too, with their hate speech laws and speech codes at universities.

    There seems to be something dark in the heart of liberals.
    So you are opposed to the Civil Rights Act and all anti discrimination protections?

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    ••Are you claiming that no Republican criticized Mr. Nugent for his stupid comment? Or just not enough Republicans criticized him? How many does it take to respond to one known crackpot's remarks?

    Top Republicans Condemn Ted Nugent's "Subhuman Mongrel" Comment | Blog | Media Matters for America



    ••A "greater pattern"? Do you feel there is a conspiracy to make stupid and embarrassing remarks? Or do you consider the opposing party criticizing the other party to be something abnormal? If someone criticizes Obamacare, is that the same thing and part of the "pattern"? Criticizing your political opponent is pretty much normal IMHO. Using terms like "subhuman mongrel" is uniquely insulting and disgusting.

    I've criticized Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And Reagan. And Carter. And Johnson. Am I part of the pattern or am I exercising my right to disapprove or disagree?
    There is a difference between disagreeing and ugly name calling.
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