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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There is no right to not being offended, not being rejected, not being liked. There is a right to freedom of association. It is immoral to force associations onto people. Try to make a moral case for the morality of forcing associations onto unwilling people.
    No one is forcing anyone to be associated with the NFL.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am sorry, but anti-gay discrimination goes against human rights. That some idiot countries like Uganda think they have the right to discriminate against gays (or worse) does not change the fact that they are violating human rights with their horrible actions against gays.
    Again, that's YOUR country's perspective, not at all shared by the rest of the world. Some do, some don't.

    Not to mention, I deny the existence of "human rights". Those would need to be recognised by the bulk of the entire species and that is not the case. Unless you're going to change your tune and argue for "God-given rights". Human rights is just more flowery speech politicians like to throw around.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It not a human right to play in the NFL either. Not even a human right to have "the opportunity to play in the NFL". We're not talking human rights here. Quite simply it's one dude's fixation at play here and thus far no one that makes a difference in any party has taken on the legislation.
    No, the right to play in the NFL does not exist, not for gays and not for anyone. But denying someone the opportunity to play in the NFL, when that person is talented enough (and that a team wants to hire that player) purely on his sexual preference is ridiculous and almost a crime against anything that is decent.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't honestly think you realize how stupid that comment is.
    I don't honestly think you comprehend the deep and pathetic idiocy of presuming absolutism in rights, and failing to comprehend the basis of legislation (the balancing of rights against each other).

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Denial of human rights by unjustly, immorally and illegally (IMHO) is not a right that is guaranteed by any law or treaty.
    What? What rights does the individual being discriminated against have in play here?

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't honestly think you comprehend the deep and pathetic idiocy of presuming absolutism in rights, and failing to comprehend the basis of legislation (the balancing of rights against each other).
    Your fail is in thinking that one right gives into another or that somehow that train of thought even begins to make sense.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your fail is in thinking that one right gives into another or that somehow that train of thought even begins to make sense.
    When the foundation of all US law is within your grasp, we can continue debate.

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No one is forcing anyone to be associated with the NFL.
    Other way around..

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, the right to play in the NFL does not exist, not for gays and not for anyone. But denying someone the opportunity to play in the NFL, when that person is talented enough (and that a team wants to hire that player) purely on his sexual preference is ridiculous and almost a crime against anything that is decent.
    What about the rights of all the team members who have no desire to have this man on their team? Why should they be forced into an association with this man so that you can feel good about your "enlightenment?"

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    Re: Powerful GOP lobbyist drafts bill to ban gay athletes from playing in the NFL

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    When the foundation of all US law is within your grasp, we can continue debate.
    You have told me before you believe in natural rights, so why do you believe in this fallacy that all rights are absolute by default? Individuals rights don't get limited by other rights, but just don't naturally extend into the rights of someone else's person or property. You're mixing together rights arguments here from the natural and state created sides and making for one huge cluster****.

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