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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.

    With all due respect CJ, the biggest problem is not at the president level. Regardless who is President, there will still be gridlock in Washington. The senate is democratic lead and the congress is Tea party lead. How would he have handle Ted Cruz? The tea party already look at Romney as a R.I.N.O.

    I think if Romney was president today, the civil war in the republican party would be on a much larger scale then it is now. At least right now both have one common enemy in Obama. But what happens when Romney wants to make a deal with the democrats that the tea party would not like?


    Unless all that crap we are seeing now is just a show for the base

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You hit the nail on the head there. Perhaps unintentionally. Nobody had a clear idea of what his positions were. He was a moderate one minute and a TPer the next.
    Oh he had positions. Lots of them, in fact. You could even say that during the length of the entire campaign he held every position there ever was.

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The fact of the matter is that Americans had 4 years of on the job experience under Obama and if you voted to reelect the man hoping he couldn't be worse or had to get better, you were an idiot, period. The first President Bush was a terrific President, well respected in the world, and he was defeated after failing to keep one promise, taxes - and don't try to tell me that the majority of American people thought that Bubba, the serial cheater and rapist, was going to be a great President - they just defeated the incumbent - and of course, Ross Perot had a little say in the matter.

    As the old saying goes, to paraphrase - "doing one thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity".
    Given the state of the economy during Clinton's Presidency, I'd actually say he did a pretty acceptable job. I'd take another 8 years of that.


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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    With all due respect CJ, the biggest problem is not at the president level. Regardless who is President, there will still be gridlock in Washington. The senate is democratic lead and the congress is Tea party lead. How would he have handle Ted Cruz? The tea party already look at Romney as a R.I.N.O.

    I think if Romney was president today, the civil war in the republican party would be on a much larger scale then it is now. At least right now both have one common enemy in Obama. But what happens when Romney wants to make a deal with the democrats that the tea party would not like?


    Unless all that crap we are seeing now is just a show for the base
    You know, Presidents have this thing called the "bully pulpit" and they have the moral suasion that the office of President holds. And strong leaders are able to rise above themselves and bring divergent groups together in order to accomplish things. President Obama is incredibly inept at any kind of negotiation - he is perpetually in campaign mode, critizing and demonizing those who oppose his agenda and therefore incapable of negotiating a truce when one is needed. Presidents Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 all were superior talents at working with the two parties in congress, often when congress was controlled in part or whole by the other side - President Obama has failed miserably.

    Presidents are not called RINOs or DINOs by their party when they make government work and negotiate with both sides - marginal elements may, but that's why they're marginal - the majority both in office and in the public at large see it as being Presidential.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Given the state of the economy during Clinton's Presidency, I'd actually say he did a pretty acceptable job. I'd take another 8 years of that.
    My comment was not related to President Clinton's term in office, but his standing leading up to his success in his first Presidential election. There was nothing to suggest that he'd be a good President - far less than the background and experience of Romney. I would agree that Clinton was a fine President - except for the personal crap - far better than Obama could ever hope to be. I'm sure upwards of 90% of the American population would swap out Obama for Clinton today, if they could.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The fact of the matter is that Americans had 4 years of on the job experience under Obama and if you voted to reelect the man hoping he couldn't be worse or had to get better, you were an idiot, period. The first President Bush was a terrific President, well respected in the world, and he was defeated after failing to keep one promise, taxes - and don't try to tell me that the majority of American people thought that Bubba, the serial cheater and rapist, was going to be a great President - they just defeated the incumbent - and of course, Ross Perot had a little say in the matter.

    As the old saying goes, to paraphrase - "doing one thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity".
    How's this for insanity? Before the campaign begins the conservatives give Black voters to the Democrats, give Latinos to the Democrats, give gays to the Democrats, give atheists and single mothers and pot users and a fair chunk of women and a big part of twenty-somethings to the Democrats and then, after the game for the rest of the popular vote is played out, after they lose, they complain that the playing field wasn't level.
    Smart, huh? That's not even insanity, it's stupidity.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Thanks for the discussion, gentlemen - I'll check back later, when I get a chance - have a good day.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm sure upwards of 90% of the American population would swap out Obama for Clinton today, if they could.
    I would be down for that.

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You know, Presidents have this thing called the "bully pulpit" and they have the moral suasion that the office of President holds. And strong leaders are able to rise above themselves and bring divergent groups together in order to accomplish things. President Obama is incredibly inept at any kind of negotiation - he is perpetually in campaign mode, criticizing and demonizing those who oppose his agenda and therefore incapable of negotiating a truce when one is needed. Presidents Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 all were superior talents at working with the two parties in congress, often when congress was controlled in part or whole by the other side - President Obama has failed miserably.

    Presidents are not called RINOs or DINOs by their party when they make government work and negotiate with both sides - marginal elements may, but that's why they're marginal - the majority both in office and in the public at large see it as being Presidential.
    And again they never had to deal with a movement like the tea party. You don't like the president fine I expect that from the right, but let not pretend that he has a willing body to negotiate with. On his inauguration, the GOP were already planning a strategy of resistance. members of the GOP said it themselves that compromise is a bad word. How do you start off from there?


    I repeat there would have been nothing that Romney could have done in this environment. You have republicans who are more conservative than Romney either retiring or changing parties because they don't like the direction their party is going.

    What would Romney do to bring the party back together?
    How would he get the tea party to trust him?
    How would he had gotten the debt ceiling raised?

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's a pattern, innit? Every discussion of US federal politics becomes post after post of conservatives mewling to each other about how the White House was stolen from their man by media bias, voter ignorance and/or subterfuge. Somehow they can't see past their own impotence and offended sense of ownership of the presidency to the fact that they (conservatives) have been chipping away at their own constituency and alienating voters in whole blocs.
    They call that "personal responsibility"
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