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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't, but he didn't present himself as a man who was particularly interested in non-rich Americans. Every time he commented on or interacted with people of even median income levels he regularly portrayed himself as a goofy alien interacting with earthlings for the first time.
    Perhaps Romney was a little "awkward" in crowds and had a bit of that "goofy alien" you refer to - had nothing to do with the policies he was promoting and his position on issues. Besides, Obama had the market cornered on the slick con man schtick already.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    It's a pattern, innit? Every discussion of US federal politics becomes post after post of conservatives mewling to each other about how the White House was stolen from their man by media bias, voter ignorance and/or subterfuge. Somehow they can't see past their own impotence and offended sense of ownership of the presidency to the fact that they (conservatives) have been chipping away at their own constituency and alienating voters in whole blocs.
    If the Republican Party comes back to the White House it'll be because they've managed to bring more of the center and center-left into their fold and been able to make the conservatives keep their yaps shut.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're right. That must be it. Romney was a totally awesome candidate.
    I don't believe I said Romney was an "awesome candidate" - Obama was the shallow "Wow" candidate - I said Romney would have been a pretty good President and far better than the dolt currently holding the office.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're right. That must be it. Romney was a totally awesome candidate.

    Watch "Mitt Romney Thinks Famous Bakery Cookies Are from 7-11" Video at New York Magazine Romney Thinks Famous Bakery Cookies Are from 7-11
    Perhaps you can also dig up the Obama video where he claims to have visited all 57 American States, or maybe you could dig up that great video where Obama addressed the troops and talked about the "corpse"-men.

    If your point is that the liberal argument for everything is racism and ridicule, I'm already fully aware of that.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't believe I said Romney was an "awesome candidate" - Obama was the shallow "Wow" candidate - I said Romney would have been a pretty good President and far better than the dolt currently holding the office.
    I've heard and seen nothing to suggest this would be true. The only major differences in their policies seemed to focus on culture war issues, not larger international, military and economic topics. For instance, while the Right has been quick to jump on Obama for every international decision, remember that during the debates Romney agreed with our international course every single time. No, the only difference is that Romney would have appointed more conservative judges. He probably would have even kept the PPACA and taken credit for it.

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I see - so one fairly innocuous comment, taken out of context and blown up by a media whose goal was to relelect their man, invalidates your perception of Romney's ability to govern and be a strong President.
    I'd hardly call it an innocuous comment. I tend to believe what somebody says when they think the cameras are off rather than what they say when they think the cameras are on. He basically insulted half of the electorate - and you're amazed he didn't win?

    I really didn't think Romney would be all that great, I just thought that Obama was a disappointment. After finding out what he really thought of half of Americans, I decided to vote for neither of them.

    You're basically blaming everything from the media, to Obama's "Wow factor" (not sure what you mean by that), and when all else fails it's because Americans are dumbfvcks. Nothing about Romney himself.

    When he was Gov of Mass, he thought that a mandate to have health insurance was a great idea, and that gays were generally decent people. He suddenly flip-flopped on those issues (just to pick two). Which did he really believe? (Similarly, Obama was against the mandate and gay marriage). It basically came down to "Who is this guy, what does he really believe other than "make money" and "I want to be President?" Why would I vote for that? When the cameras were on, he said what he thought would get him elected, and when he thought they were off he said "You're all a bunch of lazy people." That's why I didn't vote for him - he's Obama with an (R) after his name.


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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've heard and seen nothing to suggest this would be true. The only major differences in their policies seemed to focus on culture war issues, not larger international, military and economic topics. For instance, while the Right has been quick to jump on Obama for every international decision, remember that during the debates Romney agreed with our international course every single time. No, the only difference is that Romney would have appointed more conservative judges. He probably would have even kept the PPACA and taken credit for it.
    Number one - you clearly have no idea what Romney's positions were on things. Romney's campaign had virtually nothing to do with "culture wars" and only tangentially involved them when the media dredged them up to create controversy. It perhaps explains partially why a lot of christian conservatives stayed home, along with their dislike of Mormonism. The "cultural warriors" were not Romney, but several House and Senate candidates who did not speak for Romney and Romney regularly condemned the statements of some in this regard.

    Secondly - Romney clearly disagreed with Obama's handling of Egypt, Syria, Russia, the Eastern European defense shield, Israel/Palestine, Libya, and others. The major point in international relations is that America was far more respected under President Bush than under President Obama and President Obama continues to be a virtual non-entity when it comes to moral suasion in the world at large - just like increasingly on domestic policy, Obama is marginalized internationally and virtually ignored. When yesterday, he and his administration warned Russia not to interfere in the Ukraine, you could hear the laughter around the world.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's a pattern, innit? Every discussion of US federal politics becomes post after post of conservatives mewling to each other about how the White House was stolen from their man by media bias, voter ignorance and/or subterfuge. Somehow they can't see past their own impotence and offended sense of ownership of the presidency to the fact that they (conservatives) have been chipping away at their own constituency and alienating voters in whole blocs.
    If the Republican Party comes back to the White House it'll be because they've managed to bring more of the center and center-left into their fold and been able to make the conservatives keep their yaps shut.
    And they don't understand why "You weren't legitimately raped," or "Half of you are stupid" would turn people off. Hello, McFly!


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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Number one - you clearly have no idea what Romney's positions were on things.
    You hit the nail on the head there. Perhaps unintentionally. Nobody had a clear idea of what his positions were. He was a moderate one minute and a TPer the next.


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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'd hardly call it an innocuous comment. I tend to believe what somebody says when they think the cameras are off rather than what they say when they think the cameras are on. He basically insulted half of the electorate - and you're amazed he didn't win?

    I really didn't think Romney would be all that great, I just thought that Obama was a disappointment. After finding out what he really thought of half of Americans, I decided to vote for neither of them.

    You're basically blaming everything from the media, to Obama's "Wow factor" (not sure what you mean by that), and when all else fails it's because Americans are dumbfvcks. Nothing about Romney himself.

    When he was Gov of Mass, he thought that a mandate to have health insurance was a great idea, and that gays were generally decent people. He suddenly flip-flopped on those issues (just to pick two). Which did he really believe? (Similarly, Obama was against the mandate and gay marriage). It basically came down to "Who is this guy, what does he really believe other than "make money" and "I want to be President?" Why would I vote for that? When the cameras were on, he said what he thought would get him elected, and when he thought they were off he said "You're all a bunch of lazy people." That's why I didn't vote for him - he's Obama with an (R) after his name.
    The fact of the matter is that Americans had 4 years of on the job experience under Obama and if you voted to reelect the man hoping he couldn't be worse or had to get better, you were an idiot, period. The first President Bush was a terrific President, well respected in the world, and he was defeated after failing to keep one promise, taxes - and don't try to tell me that the majority of American people thought that Bubba, the serial cheater and rapist, was going to be a great President - they just defeated the incumbent - and of course, Ross Perot had a little say in the matter.

    As the old saying goes, to paraphrase - "doing one thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity".
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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