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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

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    Gore was all over Bush on a regular basis after the 2000 election - he was constantly carping about "global warming" and the Bushies doing nothing about it, even though Gore and Clinton refused to try to sell Kyoto to the US congress.

    Kerry was still a Senator after the 2004 election and he also criticized Bush on a regular basis.

    Both Bush Presidents are gentlemen and never criticized the successors to their jobs, knowing full well how difficult the task is. That never stopped Carter or Clinton, however, who both continue to believe they are the answer to every question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You can't say I didn't try.
    I'm not sure what you were trying - there's just not really good sample size to choose from - Mondale's dead - Bush lost to Clinton, but Bush was a diplomat and a President, so he's not going to get in the gutter criticizing - Dole lost to Clinton, but Dole was the Senate Majority Leader at the time and soon to retire and his wife was running in 2000 - that leaves Gore, Kerry, McCain and Romney - are you saying that Romney actively goes out of his way to criticize Obama the way Gore did Bush? I haven't seen that, although I have seen Romney interviewed and he continues to give his honest opinion about issues on which he and Obama disagree.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Media wise the Republicans just handed the election to the Democrats. Can you hand off an election and complain too?

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
    No, the reason that Romney lost is people thinking like this. The GOP just could never admit to themselves that liberals vote for democrats based on honest ideological beliefs just as much as conservatives do the same. Instead, they managed to convince themselves that black people only vote for handouts, and because Obama is black. Latinos only vote for handouts and for amnesty. Women just vote for Obama because he's handsome. Young people just vote Obama because he's cool. All superficial bull****, apparently all of their demographics are just filled with lazy idiots..... Say how come none of these groups vote for US!?

    News flash: when you spend an entire campaign telling a group of people they're stupid, they're less likely to vote for you, not more. The other thing the GOP leadership needs to realize: it's not just your messaging. It's your beliefs. People don't scream "war on women" because republicans say stupid things about women. They scream "war on women" because of the beliefs that lead to those statements. change the policy, not the packaging. This isn't a ****ing cosmetic problem, you dolts. The party you are running can't be fixed with a change in language.

    Edit: they also need to realize that 2010 was the outlier, not 2008. They really got it into their heads that they need to shift further right because it worked that one time kinda. 2010 was an anti-incumbency wave brought on by economic disaster, not a resurgence of Real Conservatives.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    News flash: when you spend an entire campaign telling a group of people they're stupid, they're less likely to vote for you, not more.
    Apparently, Romney was right - they are stupid.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
    Romney might have been fine up until "47 percent." Say what you want about "what he really meant," but what it sounded like was "Half of you are lazy." It was what filpped my vote from him to Johnson.


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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Romney was a perfectly credible and competent candidate and would have made a fine President. Unfortunately, too many people voted for your "WOW factor" candidate, even after four years of incompetence, and forgot to ask questions like - wow, do I really want to vote for this dolt again? - wow, can he really be as bad in a second term as he was in the first? - wow, does a President really have to have more than just a nice smile? - wow, just wow.
    There are numerous reasons why Romney lost, but the ones you listed are all in your head.

    Two of the many, many reasons Obama was reelected was because of the group of completely unserious candidates the GOP put forth, and how each of them was presented in desperation before finally settling on Romney, who everyone knew was going to be the final candidate anyway. So, 1)when you have candidates like Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum and Bachman, this effectively (fairly or unfairly) paints the entire Republican party as crazy extremists. And 2)When the GOP settles on Romney as if to say, "Fine! Whatever!" they're pretty much communicating that if they're not interested in him, why should we be?

    But keep thinking the real reason is that Obama was handsome and black people like handouts. I want Democrats to be in power more than Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Apparently, Romney was right - they are stupid.
    Precisely what I'm talking about: a complete inability to actually engage someone's beliefs, just call them stupid and racist and greedy. Keep doing that, democrats will laugh all the way to reelection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Precisely what I'm talking about: a complete inability to actually engage someone's beliefs, just call them stupid and racist and greedy. Keep doing that, democrats will laugh all the way to reelection.
    One question I've never gotten a straight answer on is, how many conservatives did Obama win over after he made his "bibles and guns" comment?

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Romney might have been fine up until "47 percent." Say what you want about "what he really meant," but what it sounded like was "Half of you are lazy." It was what filpped my vote from him to Johnson.
    I see - so one fairly innocuous comment, taken out of context and blown up by a media whose goal was to relelect their man, invalidates your perception of Romney's ability to govern and be a strong President.
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