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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice View Post
    I read this article The Republican Party's Talent Gap - Alex Roarty - The Atlantic. The last presidential election surprised me. It seemed to me the Republicans were on the defensive not pro-active in the media. I could not believe they ran Romney. The Republican's don't seem to have that WOW factor. They didn't put out a lot that would sway Democrat's to their side. Romney said today he would not be a contender in 2016, he felt it would help Democrats win. D.C. Notebook: Why Mitt Romney won
    the last 2 elections they did the same the democrats had tried in 04 with horrible results,they ran a candidate so moderate yet so mediocre that they stood out at nothing.moderates can easily win an eletion,but mediocre robots who try to please everyone never will.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    the last 2 elections they did the same the democrats had tried in 04 with horrible results,they ran a candidate so moderate yet so mediocre that they stood out at nothing.moderates can easily win an eletion,but mediocre robots who try to please everyone never will.
    That, and when your entire campaign message is "vote for me because I'm not him," that's not a winning strategy. Killed Kerry in '04, and killed Romney in '12.
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    That, and when your entire campaign message is "vote for me because I'm not him," that's not a winning strategy. Killed Kerry in '04, and killed Romney in '12.
    i have to agree,but vote for me because im not him falls into extreme mediocrity
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    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    i have to agree,but vote for me because im not him falls into extreme mediocrity
    I'm surprised that Romney went that route because he actually had a record he could have run on but chose not to do so.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

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    But YOU said Jeb Bush was going to be the nominee and that Jeb Bush was going to be President of the United sates. Shall I repost your quote in case you forgot? Sounds like you aren't as confident as you think. Was it just internet bravado getting to you?
    Gee, do you insist on a bet for every opinion you see expressed on the internet? Okay, to ensure you don't emotionally suffer I will bet that Jeb Bush will be the nominee and the next President of the United States. You're giving me 330 million to one odds, I presume - so I'll bet a dollar against your $330 million - deal?
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    I'm guessing the Dems are hoping that the GOP will base their thinking on a 2016 candidate along the lines of those who believe Romney lost because he was too moderate, didn't appeal to the base. That's definitely the way to guarantee a Dem in the WH for a third straight term in a row. It's about living in the political reality, like the Dems going for a charismatic centrist like Obama, rather than a proto-socialist like Kucinich; select the electable.

    I've no idea who the GOP might select in 2016, but I'm guessing the Dems will be hoping for someone like Rafael 'Ted' Cruz, Piyush 'Bobby' Jindal or Scott Walker.
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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    What I want to see is how many votes Obama gets in the next election. Many of his supporters are so blinded by his smile they will miss that he isn't running, and many who are aware he isn't will see it as an afront to their rights and personal freedom, site that the Constitution is old, and vote for him anyway.

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's a pretty convenient cop-out that doesn't have a lot of evidence to back it up.

    1. The first two years of Obama's Presidency, he had a majority of Democrats in both the House and Senate and yet he could get very little done. Republicans for the most part voted in favour of the just under $1 trillion stimulus package adopted in January/February 2009, in Obama's first 60 days in office and Obama and his administration proceeded not to use it on "shovel ready" projects because they couldn't apparently find any and spend a great deal of it on bribing state governments to retain teachers/police/firefighters and other public service employees with stimulus monies even though after a year or so that money dried up and state governments were left to hold the bag and layoff many of these workers anyway - smarter states saw through the scam and refused the money with strings attached.

    2. Obama "delegated" healthcare reform to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid - who proceeded to totally botch it on partisan lines and then when Obama deigned to meet with Republicans, he famously ignored them and petulantly told John McCain "I won the election". He's been in campaign mode every day of his time in office.

    3. Every initiative Obama has begins with a campaign style tour whose sole purpose is to through up straw men, claim the Republicans are evil supporters of those straw men, and then rail against the obstructionist Republicans. If I was a Republican legislator, I'd tell the asshole to go shove it. In 2010, after the Obamacare debacle, the American people told Obama to shove it by overwhelmingly returning the House to Republicans and that's where it's going to stay - the Senate may very well follow suit this year if the Republicans forget to shoot themselves in the foot this time. Unlike Clinton, when the country told him they didn't like the direction he was taking and turned the House over to Gingrich and the Republicans, Obama choose to double down on name calling and bad mouthing the very people he needed to get anything done. Clinton worked with congress after the people spoke, Obama didn't. He's too good to work with congress - they must bow to him - well, that has gotten Obama and the country pretty much nowhere.

    Reagan had a history of working with a Democrat legislature in California - Clinton had a history of working with Republicans in Arkansas - Bush had a history of working with Democrats in Texas - Romney had a history of working with a Democrat legislature in Massachussetts - Obama had a history as a community organizer who couldn't organize his own closet on the federal level. That's the problem.

    It wasn't two years. the only period that the Democrats actually had 60 votes in the senate was from September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 when Scott Brown was seated. That's about 4 months.

    The Democrats also technically had 60 votes in the senate from July 7. 2009 when Al Franken was seated until August 26th when Sen Kennedy died. Although, Kennedy was ill and wasn't able to cast a vote after April 2009. Not that it mattered, because the Senate was in summer recess.

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    Re: Republicans Presidential Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    It wasn't two years. the only period that the Democrats actually had 60 votes in the senate was from September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 when Scott Brown was seated. That's about 4 months.

    The Democrats also technically had 60 votes in the senate from July 7. 2009 when Al Franken was seated until August 26th when Sen Kennedy died. Although, Kennedy was ill and wasn't able to cast a vote after April 2009. Not that it mattered, because the Senate was in summer recess.
    Absolutely nothing you've posted here counteracts the points I made in my post - that's to be expected, because you can't counter the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Absolutely nothing you've posted here counteracts the points I made in my post - that's to be expected, because you can't counter the truth.
    I assumed that you conflated majority in the senate with the 60 votes necessary to get anything done.


    But if you want to have your "Truth" invalidated. I'll start with your first assertion
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn
    Republicans for the most part voted in favour of the just under $1 trillion stimulus package adopted in January/February 2009
    The only Republicans to voting for the stimulus package were: Collins (R-ME), Snowe (R-ME), and Specter (R-PA) (who changed parties shortly thereafter). No Republicans voted for the stimulus in the house.

    Three of ~218 is for the most part?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us...bama.html?_r=0
    List of Republicans who voted for Obama’s Stimulus | The RINO List

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