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    Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ Disea

    Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ Disease « CBS Philly

    PHILADELPHIA (CBS) – The data is scary: Nearly half of water faucets sampled across the United States tested positive for the bacteria that causes Legionnaires’ disease.

    While the study was small — researchers only sampled 67 public and private water sources such as kitchen sinks and drinking fountains – it’s the first one to chart the presence of the potentially deadly bacteria in water taps.

    According to the EPA, the organization that conducted the research, 32 taps contained the bacteria, and 11 of those contained it in multiple samples.

    Legionnaires’ disease is a severe form of pneumonia that causes chills, fever, headache, a cough and more. It can be deadly.


    Is this because of lowered standards at the Water Utilities plants, or are people simply, not scrubbing their nasty spigets?

    And is it a serious concern? I had a bad case of pneumonia for 3 months a couple years ago that was never sourced.

    I watched a couple of TV Specials, showing the conditions at slaughtering/butcher companies and the FDA banned fertilizers and pesticides, used to grow imported fruits and veggies, and it was scary.

    Our food and water sources are NOT optimal, nor are they seriously making us ill. Or are they?
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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    There's not just one reason, depends upon the system at each problem location. Is it urban/rural? Makes quite a difference as to the possible causes of contamination. Generally though, I'd think it wouldn't be the water in this case but the delivery or dispensing device.

    What's interesting is that the more these stories are passed around, the more people drink bottled water and stay away from the tap. That means less flouride and more tooth decay. Maybe it's the dentists spiking the water to drum up business.

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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is this because of lowered standards at the Water Utilities plants, or are people simply, not scrubbing their nasty spigets?
    I doubt it. The actual study needs registration to access but if it had come close to even half suggesting anything like that, the "news" article would have been all over it (they went out and admitted that their interest is scaring rather than informing us - that gets more hits after all). You'd need a whole load more information about the previous prevalence of this bacterium to even start thinking about any kind of conclusion.

    It is worth noting there are only a couple of thousand incidents of Legionnaires disease in the US each year so even if the bacterium is present in half of all taps it's clearly not the only relevant factor.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    And is it a serious concern? I had a bad case of pneumonia for 3 months a couple years ago that was never sourced.
    I don't think Legionnaires disease is especially high on the list of public health concerns and I'm not convinced general sanitation of things like taps is a major issue either.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I watched a couple of TV Specials, showing the conditions at slaughtering/butcher companies and the FDA banned fertilizers and pesticides, used to grow imported fruits and veggies, and it was scary.
    Again, it sounds like the intention was to scare rather than inform. If you try to get your scientific information from TV specials, you'll fail.

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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I doubt it. The actual study needs registration to access but if it had come close to even half suggesting anything like that, the "news" article would have been all over it (they went out and admitted that their interest is scaring rather than informing us - that gets more hits after all). You'd need a whole load more information about the previous prevalence of this bacterium to even start thinking about any kind of conclusion.

    It is worth noting there are only a couple of thousand incidents of Legionnaires disease in the US each year so even if the bacterium is present in half of all taps it's clearly not the only relevant factor.

    I don't think Legionnaires disease is especially high on the list of public health concerns and I'm not convinced general sanitation of things like taps is a major issue either.

    Again, it sounds like the intention was to scare rather than inform. If you try to get your scientific information from TV specials, you'll fail.
    I know the Media likes to sensationalize, more than inform anymore. They're getting, so bad, you need a PhD in everything to cypher out the crappola.
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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ Disease « CBS Philly

    Is this because of lowered standards at the Water Utilities plants, or are people simply, not scrubbing their nasty spigets?

    And is it a serious concern? I had a bad case of pneumonia for 3 months a couple years ago that was never sourced.

    I watched a couple of TV Specials, showing the conditions at slaughtering/butcher companies and the FDA banned fertilizers and pesticides, used to grow imported fruits and veggies, and it was scary.

    Our food and water sources are NOT optimal, nor are they seriously making us ill. Or are they?
    I think I'll risk it with my tap.

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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    ]Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ Disease
    [/B]« CBS Philly






    Is this because of lowered standards at the Water Utilities plants, or are people simply, not scrubbing their nasty spigets?

    And is it a serious concern? I had a bad case of pneumonia for 3 months a couple years ago that was never sourced.

    I watched a couple of TV Specials, showing the conditions at slaughtering/butcher companies and the FDA banned fertilizers and pesticides, used to grow imported fruits and veggies, and it was scary.

    Our food and water sources are NOT optimal, nor are they seriously making us ill. Or are they?



    The first thing that I noticed about this report is that it doesn't say that our faucets contain bacteria that causes Legionnaires Disease.

    It says that they may contain that bacteria.




    I'm going to hold off on getting worried about this for now.

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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think I'll risk it with my tap.
    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The first thing that I noticed about this report is that it doesn't say that our faucets contain bacteria that causes Legionnaires Disease.

    It says that they may contain that bacteria.




    I'm going to hold off on getting worried about this for now.

    To me it's a heads up. If the News suddenly reports a mass sickness, hitting the local hospitals, then I may break out the bottled water for awhile. But otherwise, I'm not overly concerned either.
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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Traveling across the country to take 67 water samples seems very fishy to me. Perhaps the reason for the study was to get funding (and the huge travel overhead) for another study.
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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ Disease « CBS Philly

    Is this because of lowered standards at the Water Utilities plants, or are people simply, not scrubbing their nasty spigets?

    And is it a serious concern? I had a bad case of pneumonia for 3 months a couple years ago that was never sourced.

    I watched a couple of TV Specials, showing the conditions at slaughtering/butcher companies and the FDA banned fertilizers and pesticides, used to grow imported fruits and veggies, and it was scary.

    Our food and water sources are NOT optimal, nor are they seriously making us ill. Or are they?
    My money puts the blame on the consumers. Water is tested at the water plant. I have confidence in that process, sans human error that there's not much way to get around.

    People with private wells often don't test their water . . . even if there are county/town ordinances in place to mandate it.

    When's the last time you took off the sprayer on your kitchen sink faucet? Reached inside the pipe and wiped it out? When's the last time you gave your ice bins a good cleaning? Your automatic water dispenser on your fridge door? Anywhere water stands and drips is a petri dish for bacteria.

    I'm not worried about the water plant. I'm worried about what's dispensing the water and making the ice. You don't even want to THINK about how often some restaurants clean their ice bins. Like hardly ever...

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    Re: Study: Nearly Half Of Water Taps May Contain Bacteria That Causes Legionnaires’ D

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My money puts the blame on the consumers. Water is tested at the water plant. I have confidence in that process, sans human error that there's not much way to get around.

    People with private wells often don't test their water . . . even if there are county/town ordinances in place to mandate it.

    When's the last time you took off the sprayer on your kitchen sink faucet? Reached inside the pipe and wiped it out? When's the last time you gave your ice bins a good cleaning? Your automatic water dispenser on your fridge door? Anywhere water stands and drips is a petri dish for bacteria.

    I'm not worried about the water plant. I'm worried about what's dispensing the water and making the ice. You don't even want to THINK about how often some restaurants clean their ice bins. Like hardly ever...
    Yeah, but I've noticed a red yeast (fungi) that's supposedly harmless but only been around for the past few years that didn't used to be there. Supposedly, some Water Treatment plants are struggling to keep the standards up because of increased demand and costs.

    The pressure on the kitchen sink, usually keeps the trap and edges, fairly clean. But the bathroom faucets and shower heads are more likely to gunk up.

    I've worked in some restaurants that were extremely clean and others that would make 3rd world countries cringe. If the restaurant has a dirty appearance out front, where you eat, most likely the back (cooking area) is no better.
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