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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Give his driver tickets for all the laws he broke as well as the news crew, they had to have broken the same laws just to keep up with the SUVs
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I am asking you to point to the law or ordinance that proves that the mayor's security detail does not have the legal authority to speed.

    Please do not re-frame the question or change the subject.
    It is against the law to speed:

    Article 30 - NY Vehicle and Traffic Law - Speed Restrictions

    If you think the driver of the mayors' car had an exemption to that law, then it is you who has to provide the proof for your claim

    BTW, exceeding the limit by 15 mph (as the mayors car did) can result in jail time
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The civil code is part of the law and there is no evidence that the drivers were responding to any threat. The security detail is not above the law and there is no evidence that the drivers were responding to any threat. What people in Okla-freakin-homa think, or even people in Philly, Mass, etc think, doesn't really matter. It's what his constituents think. And while I don't think this is going to lead to an impeachment, it does make him look bad which is what I said in the very first post I posted in this thread. And again, I did not assume anything. Please stop misrepresenting what I've said. And what I would have him do is to give clear instructions to his drivers that they should obey the traffic laws.
    More ignorance and mis-statements. No Sir the civil code is separate of 'the law'. I have explained several times the difference. You're just being willful now.

    You are ignorant on how a security detail works and the rules they operate under. It is way too late for a security detail to react to a threat AS IT HAPPENS. What security details do is evaluate the most recent threats, kook letters, and any homeland input to determine how to act BEFORE an active threat. Not stopping to present a stationary target is one- did the SUVs pull out in front of anyone causing a near accident??? A routine cautionary level most likely includes minimizing exposure when safe to do so- was there an accident?

    I'll agree with one thing- it does matter only what the people of NYC think, so all the ranting and whining outside the city is moot.

    You assume waaaay too much, from how an LE staffed security detail acts when charged with protecting a VIP, to what the mayor actually knew. And you keep using law for code.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is against the law to speed:

    Article 30 - NY Vehicle and Traffic Law - Speed Restrictions

    If you think the driver of the mayors' car had an exemption to that law, then it is you who has to provide the proof for your claim

    BTW, exceeding the limit by 15 mph (as the mayors car did) can result in jail time
    You are reframing the question. That article says nothing about under what circumstances it is legal for law enforcement officers to speed when acting in an official capacity. The driver of the vehicle carrying the mayor was a police officer acting in an official capacity.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is against the law to speed:

    Article 30 - NY Vehicle and Traffic Law - Speed Restrictions

    If you think the driver of the mayors' car had an exemption to that law, then it is you who has to provide the proof for your claim

    BTW, exceeding the limit by 15 mph (as the mayors car did) can result in jail time
    Actually that's the NY state code, NYC has an exemption and makes it's own traffic codes. But even the state has exemption to those codes for workers on state/city business. Otherwise police and traffic control workers would be boned in the performance of their duties.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More ignorance and mis-statements. No Sir the civil code is separate of 'the law'. I have explained several times the difference. You're just being willful now.
    No, you are. The laws which regulates drivers are laws. They are part of the legal code

    NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law | VTL Regulations


    You are ignorant on how a security detail works and the rules they operate under. It is way too late for a security detail to react to a threat AS IT HAPPENS. What security details do is evaluate the most recent threats, kook letters, and any homeland input to determine how to act BEFORE an active threat. Not stopping to present a stationary target is one- did the SUVs pull out in front of anyone causing a near accident??? A routine cautionary level most likely includes minimizing exposure when safe to do so- was there an accident?
    I have seen no evidence that the mayor's driver is allowed to ignore the law.

    I'll agree with one thing- it does matter only what the people of NYC think, so all the ranting and whining outside the city is moot.

    You assume waaaay too much, from how an LE staffed security detail acts when charged with protecting a VIP, to what the mayor actually knew. And you keep using law for code.
    I've assumed nothing.

    Well I assumed one thing - that until someone proves otherwise, the mayor's driver is required to obey the law.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I didn't care about much of the stuff that Bush got thrown out there as scandal either. Republicans and Dems both do it. It is not a strictly partisan behavior to try to slander someone with meaningless nonsense like this. Let's talk about their politics instead. It's much more relevant.
    His politics is that he wants to expand prosecuting and fining people for what he and his staff do for their own personal convenience.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You are reframing the question. That article says nothing about under what circumstances it is legal for law enforcement officers to speed when acting in an official capacity. The driver of the vehicle carrying the mayor was a police officer acting in an official capacity.
    I'm not re-framing the question. I am pointing out that you have the burden of proof and I've posted the law which states that it is illegal to speed. I saw no exception for the mayor's driver.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm not re-framing the question. I am pointing out that you have the burden of proof and I've posted the law which states that it is illegal to speed. I saw no exception for the mayor's driver.
    You reframed the question by pointing to a portion of the law which essentially says that it's illegal for anyone to speed and declared your burden of proof met. Yes, or no: Is it your assertion that it is illegal for police officers acting in an official capacity to exceed the speed limit?
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, you are. The laws which regulates drivers are laws. They are part of the legal code

    NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law | VTL Regulations




    I have seen no evidence that the mayor's driver is allowed to ignore the law.



    I've assumed nothing.

    Well I assumed one thing - that until someone proves otherwise, the mayor's driver is required to obey the law.

    Yes you have. The evidence is that the driver has not been ticketed or fired. There is no reason for anyone to engage in discussion with you on any topic where there is a party affiliation involved. While many of your messages on other topics are excellent and thought out, there is no truthfulness nor integrity in your messages if there is a partisan element. That is fortunate and why there is little hope for any improvement in government either on the left or the right.

    Politics has degraded to the radical authoritarian rightwing versus the radical authoritarian leftwing. The media is mostly PR firms for one or the other raging why a person should be on their particular team. The majority of people and such as your messages are no different people at a football game cheering along the cheerleaders to destroy the other team. It is only because there are 2 opposing teams that the USA has not already become either German style social and government authoritarian fascism or USSR style authoritarian communism (not socialism). You are in the bleachers cheering the latter wearing blue face paint and clothing for your team.

    I am sincere in this aspect of you is very disappointing because otherwise you seem a very intelligent person.

    It is easy to understand how the German holocaust happened. There was only one team left.

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