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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Whether or not he's pushing the police department to ticket people has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his security detail is driving appropriately. The two have nothing to do with each other. Any attempt to compare them is a false equivalence.
    No it isn't. You are equating his detail to a police officer driving to a code 3 call. A police officer is not allowed to break traffic laws unless he is on his way to a call. The Mayors detail have no reason to break any traffic laws unless his vehicle was being followed and the Mayor was in danger.

    There was no danger in this instance so excusing their behavior is out of line.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    No it isn't.
    Yes, it absolutely is. Duly appointed government officials are authorized in specific circumstances to do to specific things that are specifically forbidden to the rest of us under color of law. That they do these things doesn't mean that they are in any way privileged or that their actions mean that they don't care about the law or that the law doesn't matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    There was no danger in this instance so excusing their behavior is out of line.
    Getting a protectee out of a dangerous situation is only part of the responsibility of a security detail -- the rest of that responsibility involves reducing the likelihood of such a situation in the first place.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Yes, it absolutely is. Duly appointed government officials are authorized in specific circumstances to do to specific things that are specifically forbidden to the rest of us under color of law. That they do these things doesn't mean that they are in any way privileged or that their actions mean that they don't care about the law or that the law doesn't matter.



    Getting a protectee out of a dangerous situation is only part of the responsibility of a security detail -- the rest of that responsibility involves reducing the likelihood of such a situation in the first place.
    there was no such threat identified. his driver broke the law should be issued the appropriate tickets and or citations and the matter settled. mayor or not his driver must comply with the road laws just like everyone else.

    anyone else would have their licenses suspended.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    there was no such threat identified.
    I guess you missed this part:

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Getting a protectee out of a dangerous situation is only part of the responsibility of a security detail -- the rest of that responsibility involves reducing the likelihood of such a situation in the first place.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    his driver broke the law should be issued the appropriate tickets and or citations and the matter settled. mayor or not his driver must comply with the road laws just like everyone else.
    Please show the portion of the law which prohibits the mayor's protection detail from doing what it has been observed doing. Not the portion of the law that anyone else would've been cited for violating -- the portion of the law which says his protection detail can't do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    anyone else would have their licenses suspended.
    I didn't count the violations or the points that would've resulted, but that's entirely possible -- and not the point.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The point I'm trying to make is that its difficult to complain that he's doing something that other people can't do or that he's getting away with something when its something just about everyone does and frequently get away with.
    Following your rationale, he could use illegal drugs like crack, weed, heroin etc. which just about everyone does and gets away with. Why were Barry and Ford so criticized for smoking crack, a kind of nebbish drug?

    When you want to be a leader, you are supposed to set a good example.

    That is my opinion©. Maybe I'm being unfair?

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I never claimed you was in anyway unique...

    I have driven back east, I can tell you it is a whole 'nother mindset.

    But at least admit you have to ASS-u-me the Mayor knew the traffic rules were being broken in order to tut-tut him on this.
    Yes, there are many ASSpects and I could have been very unfair to him. But I do hold him to a higher standard and it has to do with his position, not his politics.

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    believe in public safety any more than I think that having an armed security detail would would mean that he doesn't believe in gun control.

    For that matter, saying the mayor doesn't believe in public safety is like saying the cops don't believe in public safety because they speed and blow traffic control devices when they're on an emergency call.
    I don't know what his beliefs are. It just seems like poor leadership. Cops break laws even when they are not on an emergency call, I was once just about run over by one. I long ago gave up considering cops as "good examples".

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, there are many ASSpects and I could have been very unfair to him. But I do hold him to a higher standard and it has to do with his position, not his politics.
    Then don't ASS-u-me so much about what did and didn't happen, holding someone to a higher standard requires YOU have a higher standard to follow in accusing...

    oh wait, no you don't- we are online.... my bad....

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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I don't know what his beliefs are. It just seems like poor leadership. Cops break laws even when they are not on an emergency call, I was once just about run over by one. I long ago gave up considering cops as "good examples".
    Oh me too, don't get me wrong. I'm not holding police officers up as paragons of virtue, I'm just pointing out that there are specific circumstances where they are permitted to do things others are not, and that when they do so they are not flouting or showing disdain for the law.

    There are a veritable smorgasbord of examples of police officers who do in fact flout or showing disdain for the law. I'm just saying I don't think this is necessarily one of them.
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    Re: NYC mayor's SUV caught breaking traffic laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I guess you missed this part:





    Please show the portion of the law which prohibits the mayor's protection detail from doing what it has been observed doing. Not the portion of the law that anyone else would've been cited for violating -- the portion of the law which says his protection detail can't do that.



    I didn't count the violations or the points that would've resulted, but that's entirely possible -- and not the point.
    i didn't miss anything. no you show me the law where they don't have to obey the law first. ol yea there isn't one. in fact their job is to uphold the law as it is written that includes traffic laws.

    unless you believe that we have 2 types of laws in this land one for the politicians and one for just us simple common folk. in case you were wondering we don't. the law applies to everyone equally or it is suppose to.

    which means unless his driver had justification (which he didn't) he has to obey all traffic laws just like everyone else.

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